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Old 12-14-2005, 11:30 AM
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Is the U.S. Constiturion a "G-dd-amned piece of paper" ?

Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'
By DOUG THOMPSON

Dec 9, 2005, 07:53

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artma...cle_7779.shtml


Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

“I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”

“Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

I’ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution “a goddamned piece of paper.”

And, to the Bush Administration, the Constitution of the United States is little more than toilet paper stained from all the shit that this group of power-mad despots have dumped on the freedoms that “goddamned piece of paper” used to guarantee.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, while still White House counsel, wrote that the “Constitution is an outdated document.”

Put aside, for a moment, political affiliation or personal beliefs. It doesn’t matter if you are a Democrat, Republican or Independent. It doesn’t matter if you support the invasion or Iraq or not. Despite our differences, the Constitution has stood for two centuries as the defining document of our government, the final source to determine – in the end – if something is legal or right.

Every federal official – including the President – who takes an oath of office swears to “uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says he cringes when someone calls the Constitution a “living document.”

“"Oh, how I hate the phrase we have—a 'living document,’” Scalia says. “We now have a Constitution that means whatever we want it to mean. The Constitution is not a living organism, for Pete's sake.”

As a judge, Scalia says, “I don't have to prove that the Constitution is perfect; I just have to prove that it's better than anything else.”

President Bush has proposed seven amendments to the Constitution over the last five years, including a controversial amendment to define marriage as a “union between a man and woman.” Members of Congress have proposed some 11,000 amendments over the last decade, ranging from repeal of the right to bear arms to a Constitutional ban on abortion.

Scalia says the danger of tinkering with the Constitution comes from a loss of rights.

“We can take away rights just as we can grant new ones,” Scalia warns. “Don't think that it's a one-way street.”

And don’t buy the White House hype that the USA Patriot Act is a necessary tool to fight terrorism. It is a dangerous law that infringes on the rights of every American citizen and, as one brave aide told President Bush, something that undermines the Constitution of the United States.

But why should Bush care? After all, the Constitution is just “a goddamned piece of paper.”


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Old 12-14-2005, 11:37 AM
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Seriously stop posting this fake dribble.

It makes YOU look bad.

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Old 12-14-2005, 11:56 AM
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Absolutely. This is 3rd hand crap posted on propaganda boards like indymedia. It's in no way shape or form credible.

Of course, if you can give me the link to where it's posted in the NYT, I'll eat my words.

But you can't do that, can you?
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Old 12-14-2005, 12:36 PM
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Democrats Support Terrorism: 'American Lives are Cheap'
By TUCAN SAM

Dec 9, 2005, 07:53

Democrats gave an interview today and came out with this unified message: "We want to destroy America. We are so corrupt and love stealing your money." Harry Reid then proceeded to support terrorists by saying "American lives are cheap" while John Kerry admitted to never serving in Vietnam.

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Old 12-14-2005, 01:41 PM
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In a political system where retaliation rules, you can’t expose corruption or misdeeds by depending entirely on those willing to allow use of their names. Without anonymous sources, the truth about Watergate would never have emerged. The Pulitzer Prize for investigative reporting most often goes to a newspaper story or series of stories that depends heavily on use of anonymous sources.

The first journalism award I won, a Feature Writing First Place from The Virginia Press Association in 1967, came from a story about an anonymous teenager in Roanoke who obtained an abortion that was illegal at the time. I’ve won more than 30 journalism awards over the last 38 years and about half of them for stories that depended heavily on anonymous sources.

We put our reputation on the line every time we publish a story that depends on information from anonymous sources. Sometimes we get burned and when we do we admit it publicly, take our well-deserved lumps, and move on.

We were the first news outlet to identify the names of women who claimed sexual abuse by Bill Clinton when he was attorney general and later governor of Arkansas. We were the first news outlet to report on the ethical problems of many members of Congress in our series: America’s Criminal Class: The Congress of the United States. And we were the first to report on the abuse of underage girls on teen model web sites. Links to all of these award-winning stories can be found on our home page.


That doesn’t mean you should take everything we print as gospel. Never do that with us or any other news source. Do your own research and reach your own conclusions. And consider the record of the sources you use for news and information. We’ve published more than 25,000 stories since going online on October 1, 1994, and we’ve had to retract two of them. That’s a record I’m willing to stand on.






My bio can be found on this link. I put my name on everything I write. And I stand behind what I write.

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Old 12-14-2005, 01:50 PM
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Doug Thompson is a liar.
I concur.

I can't believe those Democrats said what they said though. Supposedly Barb the Box (Cali) was overheard discussing secret terrorism missions she participated in as an agent for Al Quaeda. The sources did not want to reveal themselves but all now know it.

I don't think there is any way for me to retract that statement unless you find my secret sources. Don't take it as gospel.

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Old 12-14-2005, 02:55 PM
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Not that I buy this guy's stuff either, but there is a little part of me that relishes the fact that hoosier now has a political nemesis here on gc that posts equally flamboyant propaganda... just fron the opposite side of the aisle.
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Old 12-14-2005, 03:00 PM
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Not that I buy this guy's stuff either, but there is a little part of me that relishes the fact that hoosier now has a political nemesis here on gc that posts equally flamboyant propaganda... just fron the opposite side of the aisle.
Hoosier wrote his own fake articles?

Two wrongs make a right?

And there have been many people that post like Hoosier: the1calledtke, iowastatephipsi, and hellokitty to name a few.

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Old 12-14-2005, 03:14 PM
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Hoosier wrote his own fake articles?

Two wrongs make a right?

And there have been many people that post like Hoosier: the1calledtke, iowastatephipsi, and hellokitty to name a few.

-Rudey
Exactly - it's not like there has been a lack of opinion from the other side.
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Old 12-14-2005, 03:47 PM
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I have no idea whether The President made that (those) comment or not, but what has always made me uncomfortable about him is that I wouldn't be surprised if he feels that way.

That's not a "Republican" or "Democratic" thing to me. I felt the same about Lyndon Johnson.

I get the feeling that both feel (felt) somewhat above the law.

Hmmm...Maybe it's a Texan thing.

OK, just kidding on the last line.

Oh, and then there's Richard Nixon.
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Old 12-14-2005, 03:50 PM
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Hoosier has admitted to posting one fake story, humorously, about a movie. No one contested it, and several supported the post.

All else - God's truth, accurately copied and pasted.

Still supporting "Equal Time" for GC.
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Old 12-14-2005, 03:55 PM
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I have no idea whether The President made that (those) comment or not, but what has always made me uncomfortable about him is that I wouldn't be surprised if he feels that way.

That's not a "Republican" or "Democratic" thing to me. I felt the same about Lyndon Johnson.

I get the feeling that both feel (felt) somewhat above the law.

Hmmm...Maybe it's a Texan thing.

OK, just kidding on the last line.

Oh, and then there's Richard Nixon.
I have no idea whether the Democrats made that (those) comment or not, but what has always made me uncomfortable about them is that I wouldn't be surprised if they feel that way.

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--This is all really absurd.
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Old 12-14-2005, 04:26 PM
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--This is all really absurd.
OK, it may be.

Bottom line is that I just don't quite trust the guy. Personal feeling.
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Old 12-14-2005, 06:14 PM
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And, The Beat Goes On!

Havent many Presidents tried to Change the Constitution in Thier Terms of Office.

Oh, Let Women Vote, Dont make Booze.

I dont think that was the idea of The Creators and Signers of the Original One.

Remember, anytime there is a change, then there has to be an opposite change to right the screw up from KNEE JERK reations.

But, once it is on Paper, then it is a fact.


But, remember, The Signers all had pasts that have come to light in later years!
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Old 12-16-2005, 10:42 AM
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Today the New York Times reports that President Bush secretly allowed the National Security Agency to "spy" on U.S. Citizens using wiretaps without the usual warrant needed.

(Thread elsewhere in this forum)

Whether he made the comment about the Constitution in this thread or not, it appears to me that he may feel that way.
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