Less popular sororities

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by skylark

First, I'm assuming by "girls of race" you're referring to minority women. Race =/= Black or whatever it is you think it means.

Second, maybe if people like you said "hey, this isn't tradition, this is wrong and I'm going to support sororities that pledge diverse women as a positive thing" then maybe more minority women would feel comfortable enough to join your greek system and sororities wouldn't be scared to pledge them.

Support?

Do you want me to give them money?

The University of Arkansas is 4% African-American.

I believe the other races have nearly the same or less representation.

[skylark]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Do you want me to give them money?

I guess that would be the thing your mind would jump to -- money.

Believe it or not, some causes need a different kind of support. You can't just buy people off your entire life, you know. Sometimes YOU actually have to stand up for something.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by skylark

....then maybe more minority women would feel comfortable enough to join your greek system and sororities wouldn't be scared to pledge them.

And if more minority women don't, it will be because they don't want to and not because they "can't."

I know organizations' reputations matter but it really sucks that fraternity men's opinions matter this much (not just with this specific incident but in general). There are so many people in the campus and local communities whose opinions should matter more, even if the mixers and stuff could be impacted.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by skylark

I guess that would be the thing your mind would jump to -- money.

Believe it or not, some causes need a different kind of support. You can't just buy people off your entire life, you know. Sometimes YOU actually have to stand up for something.

Okay, well what support do you deduce that I should do?

I'd love to hear this, honestly. Should I dress in a cheerleader costume outside the girls houses and say "GO MINORITY WOMEN!!! GO GREEK!!" when they don't rush...and if they decide to rush Sophomore year, they're already too late?

edit: You don't quite understand what I mean by money, because this is the most important part of it. As Arkansas is very poor generally, the minorities are poorer than the whites as a whole. How are they going to pay exorbitant sorority fees if they can barely feed their family and go to the University on scholarship?

[DSTCHAOS]

Why does the percentage of minorities matter for this topic, EW?

Anyway, Univ of Arkansas is really focused on minority recruitment.


Minority Student Enrollments, Fall2006

American Indian or Alaskan Native 328

Black, non-Hispanic 946

Asian or Pacific Islander 446

Hispanic 447

Total UA Minority Students 2,167

International Students 951

Ethnicity Not Available 462

Source: Institutional Research UA web site, Quick Facts -- Students

http://www.uark.edu/admin/vcacsey/AD...R%20report.pdf.

Total Student ENROLLMENT
Full-time:
6,078 men/5,420 women
Part-time:
1,518 men/1,496 women
Graduate:
1,273 men/1,103 women

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

edit: You don't quite understand what I mean by money, because this is the most important part of it. As Arkansas is very poor generally, the minorities are poorer than the whites as a whole. How are they going to pay exorbitant sorority fees if they can barely feed their family and go to the University on scholarship?

Seriously? Is this where your mind is going right now?

Your time would be better spent looking up Beyonce Knowles.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Seriously? Is this where your mind is going right now?

Your time would be better spent looking up Beyonce Knowles.

Would you deny that there's a significant income gap between whites and different races...remember if you say no, you'd be going against your Marxism.

With that, and with Arkansas being poor as it is...it is very difficult for minorities to pay for very expensive sororities.

I do recall one minority being in a top tier sorority, as I think about it. She went to one of the top high schools in the state and is very, very wealthy.

[oldu]

I am appalled at the stupidity of some people on Greek Chat ... Elephant Walk being near the top of the list. Some inferiors like him can only operate in anonymity. I suspect if we met in "real" life he would be the little twerp who barely got in to his fraternity to begin with (and one of the few accomplishments he will ever have in life). I vote to ignore him and maybe he will go away.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by oldu

I am appalled at the stupidity of some people on Greek Chat ... Elephant Walk being near the top of the list. Some inferiors like him can only operate in anonymity. I suspect if we met in "real" life he would be the little twerp who barely got in to his fraternity to begin with (and one of the few accomplishments he will ever have in life). I vote to ignore him and maybe he will go away.

What exactly are you against or deny?

Do you think I'm wrong? How? What's your experience with Southern sorority and fraternity life?

I've made no wrong statements.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Would you deny that there's a significant income gap between whites and different races...remember if you say no, you'd be going against your Marxism.

It isn't my Marxism.

DUH. The obvious gap between blacks and whites is why I brought up race in that "south" thread when someone celebrated the social class divide. You get it now but didn't get it then and accused me of bringing race into something that had nothing to do with race. But here you are--I guess it's okay because whites can bring up race whenever and however without being accused of irrationally playing the "race card."

However, none of what you're typing about now really has to do with what your posts were initially about. You're struggling to bring the attention away from bigotry and address social issues. LOL. Nice try.

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I do recall one minority being in a top tier sorority, as I think about it. She went to one of the top high schools in the state and is very, very wealthy.

So did the fraternity men shun the sorority or not? That's what we're typing about now because you brought this to the forefront.

[DSTCHAOS]

Okay--let's pretend EW just said the girl was a poor dresser and the fraternity men did not want to associate with a sorority that pledged a poor dresser. Maybe she wore a tacky Obama tie or something.

I hope to read more about how fraternity men's opinions matter so much for sororities' popularities.


<--trying to keep this thing from getting closed or something.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

However, none of what you're typing about now really has to do with what your posts were initially about. You're struggling to bring the attention away from bigotry and address social issues. LOL. Nice try.

Absolutely opposite. I pointed straight to bigotry and social issues. Maybe read what I wrote, discussing the gap between races and so forth...I would consider that bigotry and social issues, no?

So did the fraternity men shun the sorority or not? That's what we're typing about now because you brought this to the forefront.

As I said before, yes. They were not doing well before because they lacked tradition and connections. They are too new of a sorority. Because they lacked these things, they made rush decisions which were not things the fraternity system looked upon as good, it sent them much lower. This is a personal example obviously, but I would think that this has happened at many other campuses.

[Benzgirl]

Does EW attend class or don't the Kappa Sigs and U of A care about going to class?

[oldu]

I just realized that EW is from ARKANSAS...a state at or near the bottom of the food chain in nearly every statistic. I guess a guy who wears a pig face and goes around yelling "soo-pig" would end up with an inferiority complex and need any bias he can find to feel superior to someone. whether it race or otherwise. Pathetic.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Absolutely opposite. I pointed straight to bigotry and social issues. Maybe read what I wrote, discussing the gap between races and so forth...I would consider that bigotry and social issues, no?

LOL. Not the way you brought up the issue. You're horrible at backsliding.

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

As I said before, yes. They were not doing well before because they lacked tradition and connections. They are too new of a sorority. Because they lacked these things, they made rush decisions which were not things the fraternity system looked upon as good, it sent them much lower. This is a personal example obviously, but I would think that this has happened at many other campuses.

Soooo...the fraternity shunned the sorority because...they pledged a black woman who is from a wealthy background. Okay...so that's a race effect that can't be disguised. You said it is tradition. Now what?