Three Hospitalized (Alcohol) at U of Central Florida

[sherbertlemons]

Originally Posted by TrueBlueKappa

I haven't been able to receive them for awhile, but no one can fix it for me.

Well, do you still have AIM? Can you PM your AIM name or something?

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by jessXIca

How can I phrase this...


If you have laws that permit hazing that isn't harmful, it's very easy for a chapter to take advantage of it and use that law to protect themselves. It's better to ban it outright, because it's not necessary to haze to have a good chapter and a close pledge class. I wasn't hazed at all, definitely the opposite, and my PC is very close.

How would you know what is necessary for a fraternity to have a good chapter and a close pledge class? Explain this. Last time I checked, you rushed and were initiated about 5 minutes ago.

You are in a sorority, no one expects you to get hazed. Stop trying to argue from the standpoint of sorority vs. fraternity.....it is completely different in just about every aspect.

Maybe you should take some trips to the top chapters at all of the huge Southern greek schools and see how they do it....because you don't have a clue. None of us are going to make it a walk in the park for pledges to get their letters. They are going to earn it.....and we can all go about it in a safe and productive manner....which would include hazing. I don't know a single guy from a good chapter that wasnt hazed.....and they all will tell you, to this day, that their pledge year was one of the best they have had. I always say it was the best worst time of my life.....i'd do it again in a heartbeat.

[TrueBlueKappa]

Originally Posted by jessXIca

I know how old your chapter is. I was told that by two different girls at two different KKG parties at recruitment, including the president (Kelly K.) so I assume it's true. I was told that it was a UCF Kappa but, who knows, you may want to check with your chapter about it.

Hon, I am not trying to be rude at all. All I can say is that you must have misheard. I don't need to check with the girls I already know. And I know who the president is, you don't have to drop a name to prove yourself.


/hijack. Let's get back to the main point of the thread.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by jessXIca

For Christ's sake, I'm not talking about how what actually happens, I'm talking about the law. Stop going on and on about "old Southern Greeks", those are not the only ones that exist.

You can talk about the law all you want.....you aren't proving anything. You obviously have little knowledge of how things work outside of UCF. If you understood how things do actually happen.....then you wouldn't sit here trying to make some pointless argument of the legality of hazing.

[FL-E1973]

I honestly just can't wait for like two weeks to pass becasue I gauruntee everyone will forget about this. The other thing that bother's me is once something like this happens it's like oh the Greeks are giving UCF a bad name, it's just so easy to be a target. When a GDI dies of alcohol poisoning, or goes to the hospital nobody is like Damn those idiot GDI's are ruining everything. I guess it just comes with the territory. On another note I notice a lot of strife within sororities here on campus. I hear about littles talking bad about their bigs and things of that nature. I think that shows a serious problem with how new members are brought into the Sororities.

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by FL-E1973

I honestly just can't wait for like two weeks to pass becasue I gauruntee everyone will forget about this. The other thing that bother's me is once something like this happens it's like oh the Greeks are giving UCF a bad name, it's just so easy to be a target. When a GDI dies of alcohol poisoning, or goes to the hospital nobody is like Damn those idiot GDI's are ruining everything. I guess it just comes with the territory. On another note I notice a lot of strife within sororities here on campus. I hear about littles talking bad about their bigs and things of that nature. I think that shows a serious problem with how new members are brought into the Sororities.

You're right. It will be ancient history in a few weeks. And all women gossip about each other. This isn't a problem exclusive to UCF or sororities. It concerns the entire gender. Not everyone in a sorority LUVS everyone in their sorority all of the time. Yes, sororities shouldn't concern fraternity men with their chapter problems, but I think it is reasonable that a woman should be allowed to vent to her friends, regardless of gender, if someone has upset her and she is trying to figure out the means to cope or deal with that person.

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by macallan25

You can talk about the law all you want.....you aren't proving anything. You obviously have little knowledge of how things work outside of UCF. If you understood how things do actually happen.....then you wouldn't sit here trying to make some pointless argument of the legality of hazing.

What does it matter how prestigious Southern fraternities haze their new members when the thread in question is about UCF and a UCF student is commenting on a UCF situation. Fact: The SAE chapter at UCF was a strong UCF chapter. Fact: SAE at UCF has been de-recognized. Fact: In the past, UCF fraternities have gotten in trouble for hazing. Fact: There is a law in Florida that prohibits hazing. Whether that law is clear as day or vague to the general public is irrelevant-- the legal system exists to draft confusion and vague legislation that keeps lawyers and judges employed. Fact: If hazing is against the law in a state, a collegiate men's organization is not above the law to haze their members no matter how "safely" they perceive the hazing.

Clearly, SAE HQ does not condone these behaviors or the chapter would not be closing. That is also a fact.

So while the good chapters not at UCF must haze the bejesus out of their men to make them true SAEs, that is neither here nor there. This is a thread about UCF SAE, and not other schools Greek Systems, or how they haze.

And I realize that JessXIca is new to the Greek System, but she is also a UCF upperclassman who has been involved with the Greek System prior to joining Alpha Xi through UCF activities. It's a big school, but it's still a small community. I don't think anyone needs sorority tenure to comment on situations occuring at her university.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by FL-E1973

When a GDI dies of alcohol poisoning, or goes to the hospital nobody is like Damn those idiot GDI's are ruining everything.

We're not talking apples and apples here.

If an independent were to die due to an event by an organized group, you can bet that it would be a big deal on campus and in the news.

Normally, though, the Library Club probably won't be throwing a keg party -- well, at most schools.

[FL-E1973]

Yeah so when a group of friends holds a keg party I get it. Someone can leave their house and get in a deadly drunk driving accident, and not expect to have reporters walking into their house uninvited etc. That to me is a problem, when a group is being punished on a sole reason of being an organization that is BS especially if noone was harmed. As for HQ those guys had to have done a lot worse stuff than this. They're just trying to be PC, which unfortunatly so is the rest of this country, I think it's time things got real again.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

What does it matter how prestigious Southern fraternities haze their new members when the thread in question is about UCF and a UCF student is commenting on a UCF situation. Fact: The SAE chapter at UCF was a strong UCF chapter. Fact: SAE at UCF has been de-recognized. Fact: In the past, UCF fraternities have gotten in trouble for hazing. Fact: There is a law in Florida that prohibits hazing. Whether that law is clear as day or vague to the general public is irrelevant-- the legal system exists to draft confusion and vague legislation that keeps lawyers and judges employed. Fact: If hazing is against the law in a state, a collegiate men's organization is not above the law to haze their members no matter how "safely" they perceive the hazing.

Clearly, SAE HQ does not condone these behaviors or the chapter would not be closing. That is also a fact.

So while the good chapters not at UCF must haze the bejesus out of their men to make them true SAEs, that is neither here nor there. This is a thread about UCF SAE, and not other schools Greek Systems, or how they haze.

And I realize that JessXIca is new to the Greek System, but she is also a UCF upperclassman who has been involved with the Greek System prior to joining Alpha Xi through UCF activities. It's a big school, but it's still a small community. I don't think anyone needs sorority tenure to comment on situations occuring at her university.

1.) I can assure you plenty of chapters can side step the law.

2.) Again, you are speaking of hazing like it is some horrible, God awful action. Clearly, you are completely narrowminded on the subject.

[UCFStefanie]

I might be behind on this notice and if I am I do appologize, But here is the official notice from SAE HQ

http://www.sae.net/index.asp?r=newsr...=115&art_cat=2

[UCFStefanie]

LOL OK I am behind, just goes to show I am a slow reader.

[fifi225]

Originally Posted by UCFStefanie

LOL OK I am behind, just goes to show I am a slow reader.

It's ok. I love yu anyway :P

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by FL-E1973

Yeah so when a group of friends holds a keg party I get it. Someone can leave their house and get in a deadly drunk driving accident, and not expect to have reporters walking into their house uninvited etc.

I don't think that's true. I think pretty much any media would report where the person got drunk enough to cause the accident -- and depending on the laws of that location, the people who allowed someone to get that drunk could be held accountable.

"The driver had just left a party at..."

It would certainly be true of commercial establishments (bars, restaurants, etc.).

[Tom Earp]

Inspite of what some SAE Members on G C say, it looks like SAE IHQ is starting to hold a no nonsense priority as I read the IHQ Site.