Wealthy Child Molester Gets Probation, Wouldn't Fare Well In Prison

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by Kevin

It's not common...therefore, rare.



No one so far has stated they have any experience in plea negotiations. What is your experience in plea negotiations in criminal court?

Rare is different than uncommon. Murder is (thankfully) uncommon, but I wouldn't say it is rare. Surely you understand the difference in both the connotative and denotative meaning of the words in question. Given your exemplary education I would expect a higher than seventh grade understanding of the subtle differences. (Please note - this is not an insult; as I teach seventh grade, I am merely pointing out that defining "rare" as merely "uncommon" is on-level with my seventh graders).

Were the issue only plea negotiations you might have a point.

It's not;you don't. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you do realize that but are simply choosing to ignore it in order to continue to stroke your ego. I could be wrong. It could be that you really do think this has all been about plea negotiations. If so, I'm sorry for giving you too much credit.

[amIblue?]

LOL at "I'm right, and you're stupid."

[als463]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I think I've explained it at this point. If you don't get it, that's on you.

He's legally guilty for sure. Did he actually do it? A guilty plea to a suspended sentence when facing multiple decades behind bars if he took it to trial isn't going to convince me he actually did it. Especially when the mom has a huge financial motive to coach the kid to accuse her father of molesting her.



Frankly, anyone who still can't understand what I've been saying over and over has some serious reading comprehension issues. You haven't been there/done that. I have. Having successfully defended fathers accused of this very thing, from what is said in the article, it is difficult to tell whether it really happened.

I can tell you that a father molesting his own child is exceedingly rare. And that child being his first victim? Even more rare.

What's so hard to get? Even the prosecutor admitted that a conviction at trial wasn't a foregone conclusion. I suppose you know more about this case than the prosecutor?

So...now you're an attorney AND a therapist? Good to know! I also loved that you told me and SWTXBelle that we have poor reading comprehension skills yet, you ignore her statement about having training on child abuse and then go back to our lack of education in plea negotiations (because that's not what anyone here claims to have experience in other than you). I also wanted to echo what AZTheta mentioned about not feeling comfortable with an attorney who thinks he or she should go on an internet forum and just speak openly about cases whether or not they made it into the news. You are not the only person on here who has ever gone to law school or graduated from law school. There are a few attorneys on this site and they never talk about their cases--past or present. So, since you feel I am incompetent in whatever it is I do (since you don't know but, assume you do), I will call you incompetent and say I would never send a family member or friend to you. I wonder if the Oklahoma Bar Association is okay with your ethics.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I don't see how that's remotely relevant. Is it somehow offensive to a survivor of sexual violence to discuss the possibility of the innocence of someone even the prosecutor thought might not be convicted at trial?

No. The point is simply that your lived experience does not trump the lived experiences of others. You may be the best-versed in the law, but that does not make you the only person who has been involved in this type of thing.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by als463

So...now you're an attorney AND a therapist? Good to know! I also loved that you told me and SWTXBelle that we have poor reading comprehension skills yet, you ignore her statement about having training on child abuse and then go back to our lack of education in plea negotiations (because that's not what anyone here claims to have experience in other than you). I also wanted to echo what AZTheta mentioned about not feeling comfortable with an attorney who thinks he or she should go on an internet forum and just speak openly about cases whether or not they made it into the news. You are not the only person on here who has ever gone to law school or graduated from law school. There are a few attorneys on this site and they never talk about their cases--past or present. So, since you feel I am incompetent in whatever it is I do (since you don't know but, assume you do), I will call you incompetent and say I would never send a family member or friend to you. I wonder if the Oklahoma Bar Association is okay with your ethics.

Feel free to report me for discussing something which is public record. The case I linked wasn't in the news. Making the news isn't what is required for something to be of public record. Criminal pleas are not private matters.

You are way out of your league talking about legal ethics. Just stop.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

No. The point is simply that your lived experience does not trump the lived experiences of others. You may be the best-versed in the law, but that does not make you the only person who has been involved in this type of thing.

I'm the only one who has commented in this thread who has ever been part of a plea negotiation, so I am the only person who has been involved in this type of thing.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'm the only one who has commented in this thread who has ever been an attorney in a plea negotiation.

FYP.

Too bad Kevin is the only GC attorney commenting in this thread.

And I work closely with attorneys for a range of issues. While these attorneys discuss their perspectives and experiences they are quick not to go into much detail for their cases. They make general comments about specific cases, or more specific comments about general cases, but are more inclined to say "it is the (insert case) if you want to research the details on public record." To go into great detail about cases when discussing touchy topics can be construed as a version of name dropping and there is a fear of leisure talk resulting in accidentally divulging information that is not public record and providing legal opinions that are not public record.

[Kevin]

What information did I divulge which is not public record?

Hint: I gave you the public record. Everything I've said is part of it.

Interesting, DrPhil, what did you enter a plea to?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Hint: I gave you the public record. Everything I've said is part of it.

Hint: The point eludes you.

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Hint: The point eludes you.

Many points elude him. He still thinks it's about plea negotiations.

[AZTheta]

Denis Healey succinctly said it best. My own father taught me "don't be a blabbermouth. It's way worse than having to have the last word". He also liked to remind me that when you burn your own ass, you are the one who has to sit on the blister. So think about it.

Happy Saturday, one and all!

[als463]

Wow. I just can't get over his pretentious attitude.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

FYP.

AND WE HAVE A WINNER.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

Maybe it's me being recently divorced and being over men right now, but it is cracking me up that all he needs to do is stop and this problem would go away. I think he also is just not getting that "our" gripe is not with his knowledge of this particular issue, it's with his remarkably arrogant approach to the discussion.

THIS.

And this other thread was just recently "ruined" because of his abundance of legal knowledge……………

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...d.php?t=139889

We don't have a problem with him being a lawyer and having possibly more legal knowledge than the rest of us. The problem is that we're not permitted to speak or have an opinion on these news stories because we're lowly teachers, business people, scientists, etc., and we apparently can't respond to what's been presented to us in the news if it has anything to do with lawsuits, plea negotiations, judges, lawyers, writs, subpoenas, affidavits, settlements, indictments, answers, verdicts, or anything else that deals with the law.

We know we don't have all the facts of this case. We know that people can lie. We're all just responding to what we read, which is what everyone does when they read ANY news story. Unless you were there and lived and breathed what occurred, then you'll never be guaranteed the absolute truth, and that goes for all of us.

[Sen's Revenge]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Interesting, DrPhil, what did you enter a plea to?

Originally Posted by als463

Wow. I just can't get over his pretentious attitude.

But you really need to. Your attitude has been just as pretentious, if not even shittier, on other occasions. You're the last person to talk about reading comprehension, and I think you, like many of the people on this board, have some sort of personality disorder.

Just move on.

But I know you can't. LOL