Miss California USA posed topless

[DrPhil]

begin too damn long post/

LOL...I've decided that this really isn't about the pageant or these specific young ladies. This has become something greater. People have used this to reinforce liberal vs. conservative (those categories and "battles" annoy me, but okay) values.

Yes, he was asking her personal opinion but on a very specific application--not a general one. This young lady said "everyone has a right to choose" which as someone already noted, isn't true based on the legality of it all. But if she had stayed on this route, she could've perhaps said that people SHOULD have the right to choose and that states have the right to weight the pros and cons ON THEIR OWN and follow Iowa's lead, if need be. Or express that she thinks states SHOULDN'T but do so without being personal. Then we wouldn't know or care what she personally thinks about gays and/or gay marriage.

This isn't about political correctness, absent freedom of speech, or denying Christianity (which, as a Christian, I find to be the dumbest platform for Christians to jump on--conservative or not). It is about being smart enough (despite nervousness) to know what you are being asked and think about the context. That applies to pageants where they are trained to do so, and for nonpageants where adults learn how to discuss topics with others.

If you stick your foot in your mouth, just acknowledge that you did that. Don't make yourself into a martyr and pretend you did it on purpose. I also don't think people should be trying to ruin this young lady for incorrectly answering the question with her opinion. Afterall, incorrectly answering the question was her only gaffe. What she actually thinks about gay marriage is of no concern, unless she were to turn her opinions into discriminatory actions.

/end too damn long post

[agzg]

Oh goody - another "you don't understand" "ANSWER MY DAMN QUESTION" thread.

[texas*princess]

lolz - Miss California (for now) offered $1 Million for adult entertainment film

[SydneyK]

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lol @ Kevin's artwork! I wonder how long it took to do that.

[scbelle]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

lolz - Miss California (for now) offered $1 Million for adult entertainment film

lolz-- what is it with Vivid offering $1 Million to women during their 15 minutes of fame? First the Octomom, now Prejean... I don't recall them doing that before (not that I paid attention), but it's starting to get a very Larry Flynt-ish feeling to it.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by scbelle

lolz-- what is it with Vivid offering $1 Million to women during their 15 minutes of fame? First the Octomom, now Prejean... I don't recall them doing that before (not that I paid attention), but it's starting to get a very Larry Flynt-ish feeling to it.

maybe they're just doing it to see if they'll take it. Plus it lets them ride the coattails momentarily? hehehe who knows!

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

No, my question hasn't been answered. You and OTW are just typing absolute nonsense. She was asked for her opinion plain and simple. There is no LAW saying that same-sex marriage should be legalized in the remaining states. And if someone asks you what you THINK about a matter, they are asking for your OPINION.

She was asked her opinion on whether other states should follow Vermont's (and Iowa's, Massachusetts' and New Hamphire's (?)) lead by legalizing gay marriage. It is quite possible to answer that question without ever stating one's personal opinion on gay marriage, and that is the distinction others are properly making and you are missing. For example:

Well, Perez, I think that the genius of our federal system is that it allows each state to make up its own mind about these things. As Justice Brandeis said, there must be power in the states to remould, through experimentation, our institutions to meet changing social needs, and that one of the "happy incidents" of our federal system that a single state may, if its citizens so choose, serve as a laboratory and try new things without risk to the rest of the country. So I trust the citizens of each state to decide for themselves what course to follow, and I trust that the decisions already made in Vermont and elsewhere -- and the experiences that result from those decisions -- can assist the remaining states in deciding for themselves.

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This is so a portrait of me reading this thread!

Brilliant!!

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

It is quite possible to answer that question without ever stating one's personal opinion on gay marriage, and that is the distinction others are properly making and you are missing. For example:

Well, Perez, I think that the genius of our federal system is that it allows each state to make up its own mind about these things. As Justice Brandeis said, there must be power in the states to remould, through experimentation, our institutions to meet changing social needs, and that one of the "happy incidents" of our federal system that a single state may, if its citizens so choose, serve as a laboratory and try new things without risk to the rest of the country. So I trust the citizens of each state to decide for themselves what course to follow, and I trust that the decisions already made in Vermont and elsewhere -- and the experiences that result from those decisions -- can assist the remaining states in deciding for themselves.

I'm LOLing at imagining MysticCat giving such a great answer as a pageant contestant.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

lol @ Kevin's artwork! I wonder how long it took to do that.

I cut/pasted it.

I don't have a single iota of artistic talent.

-- nonetheless, it belongs here.

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

I'm LOLing at imagining MysticCat giving such a great answer as a pageant contestant.

me too. that's brilliant!

[texas*princess]

TMZ reports that Photo #2 has hit the web on thedirty.com. Carrie told pageant officials that the photo that hit the internets earlier this week was the "only" one she took and there were no other photos.

Story is here: TMZ article

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

She was asked her opinion on whether other states should follow Vermont's (and Iowa's, Massachusetts' and New Hamphire's (?)) lead by legalizing gay marriage. It is quite possible to answer that question without ever stating one's personal opinion on gay marriage, and that is the distinction others are properly making and you are missing. For example:

Well, Perez, I think that the genius of our federal system is that it allows each state to make up its own mind about these things. As Justice Brandeis said, there must be power in the states to remould, through experimentation, our institutions to meet changing social needs, and that one of the "happy incidents" of our federal system that a single state may, if its citizens so choose, serve as a laboratory and try new things without risk to the rest of the country. So I trust the citizens of each state to decide for themselves what course to follow, and I trust that the decisions already made in Vermont and elsewhere -- and the experiences that result from those decisions -- can assist the remaining states in deciding for themselves.

This is why I heart you so much - you actually think that the average beauty pagaent queen knows about Justice Brandeis! No one could ever accuse you of misogyny!

[Jimmy Choo]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

She was asked her opinion on whether other states should follow Vermont's (and Iowa's, Massachusetts' and New Hamphire's (?)) lead by legalizing gay marriage. It is quite possible to answer that question without ever stating one's personal opinion on gay marriage, and that is the distinction others are properly making and you are missing. For example:

Well, Perez, I think that the genius of our federal system is that it allows each state to make up its own mind about these things. As Justice Brandeis said, there must be power in the states to remould, through experimentation, our institutions to meet changing social needs, and that one of the "happy incidents" of our federal system that a single state may, if its citizens so choose, serve as a laboratory and try new things without risk to the rest of the country. So I trust the citizens of each state to decide for themselves what course to follow, and I trust that the decisions already made in Vermont and elsewhere -- and the experiences that result from those decisions -- can assist the remaining states in deciding for themselves.

Perfect answer!

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

No, my question hasn't been answered. You and OTW are just typing absolute nonsense. She was asked for her opinion plain and simple. There is no LAW saying that same-sex marriage should be legalized in the remaining states. And if someone asks you what you THINK about a matter, they are asking for your OPINION.

See above. And don't say that people are typing nonsense. For the millionth time someone gives an example of the answer you give to a question like that. If this latest example doesn't show you how she wasn't being asked her opinion then nothing will.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

She was asked her opinion on whether other states should follow Vermont's (and Iowa's, Massachusetts' and New Hamphire's (?)) lead by legalizing gay marriage. It is quite possible to answer that question without ever stating one's personal opinion on gay marriage, and that is the distinction others are properly making and you are missing. For example:

Well, Perez, I think that the genius of our federal system is that it allows each state to make up its own mind about these things. As Justice Brandeis said, there must be power in the states to remould, through experimentation, our institutions to meet changing social needs, and that one of the "happy incidents" of our federal system that a single state may, if its citizens so choose, serve as a laboratory and try new things without risk to the rest of the country. So I trust the citizens of each state to decide for themselves what course to follow, and I trust that the decisions already made in Vermont and elsewhere -- and the experiences that result from those decisions -- can assist the remaining states in deciding for themselves.

Haha...this may sound a bit insensitive, but I would be SHOCKED if any pageant contestant gave this type of answer. I think most answers would have included some sort of opinon, whether it was the one given by Miss California, or something along the lines of "I think everyone should have the right to marry."

[ASUADPi]

Here's my question. If CA is forced to give up her crown and her 1st runner up takes over, does her 1st runner up automatically take over as 1st runner up for Miss USA?

Honestly, if I competed in Miss USA and was one of the top five I would be royally pissed if some girl who didn't even win the crown (CA) got to be a first runner up (Miss USA) and possibly take the Miss USA crown, if USA wins Universe. To me that wouldn't seem quite fair. But maybe it's just me.

Has anyone participated in pageants or know enough about pageants to answer the question?