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Old 01-08-2008, 10:03 AM
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Maternity leave sought for teen girls

Soon-to-be-moms at East High School ask for four weeks of maternity leave.
By Jeremy P. Meyer
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 01/07/2008 02:00:49 AM MST



Kayla Lewis, a senior at East High School, asked school-board members last month to establish maternity leave for students who are new mothers. ( Cyrus McCrimmon, The Denver Post )
Pregnant students in a Denver high school are asking for at least four weeks of maternity leave so they can heal, bond with their newborns and not be penalized with unexcused absences.

The request is unusual in Colorado's public schools, where districts tend to deal with pregnant students or new moms with specialized programs or individualized education plans.

Denver Public Schools has no districtwide policy, leaving it up to schools to work out plans for students to continue their education.

Two counselors from East High School approached the school board last month, saying the policy at their school is unfair and inconsiderate because it forces new moms to return to school the day after being discharged from the hospital or face being charged with unexcused absences.

"My initial reaction is if we are punishing girls like that, that is unacceptable," said Nicole Head, one of the counselors who brought the matter to the school board last month. "We've got to do something."

East High School administrators could not be reached for comment over the winter break, but district officials say they are reviewing the policy on absences to make it "friendlier" to new moms, said DPS spokesman Alex Sanchez.

Kayla Lewis, who is five months pregnant and a senior at East, requested that the board establish maternity leave for students at a Dec. 20 public hearing.

"After you have the baby, your body needs time to heal," the 18-year-old said.

That is true, said Dr. Sarah Grope, pediatrician at HealthOne's Rocky Mountain Hospital for Children in Denver.

"To just assume that two days after having a baby they can go back to school is ridiculous at best," Grope said. "During that time, they should be able to do their schoolwork and give time to bond with their children."

School-board member Michelle Moss was baffled that schools were giving girls unexcused absences after birth.

"It's critical that these young women have a chance to bond with their babies," Moss said. "Maybe we do need a policy. Clearly, as a district, we have to look at what is going on with our young women. We've got to look at the birth-control issues and teen pregnancy and how we best help them deal with it and still graduate."

Denver has one of the highest teen-pregnancy rates in the state. Of every 1,000 girls ages 15 to 17, 54.5 will become pregnant in the city, compared with 24.3 throughout Colorado, according to state health statistics.

The district has a school for pregnant teens and new moms, Florence Crittenton School, but it has a waiting list. Plus, many students want to remain at the school where they started, said Head, the counselor at East.

Cherry Creek, Adams 12, Jefferson County and Douglas County school districts have policies in which students work with counselors and principals to devise plans that will keep them in school.

Several districts have special schools with child-care services for new moms. Others have programs that allow students to receive high-school credit.

"When a girl tells us she is pregnant, we advise her to work one on one with her counselor and go from there to see what they can work out," said Michelle Ancell, spokeswoman for Cherry Creek Schools.

"The counselor plays middleman between the principal and the student," said Melissa Reeves of Jefferson County Schools, who added that the district has started a computer-based credit-recovery program that students can use during evening hours.

Douglas County has had a program for 19 years called WINGS, or Winning in New Growth Situations, that offers support and instruction for the girls once a week, allowing them to earn elective credits in nutrition and parenting. The program has 20 students, said coordinator Susan Anderson.

The district has a school that begins at 4:30 p.m. for new parents that is attached to Highlands Ranch High School. Students also are able to stay in their schools, but that is not easy for many new moms, she said.

"Day care is very difficult, hard to come by and expensive," Anderson said. "We just work really hard to make sure kids graduate high school. We know it's so important."

Teen mothers face a challenging future, with many dropping out. A third of teen moms receive their high-school diplomas and 1.5 percent get college degrees before they turn 30, according to the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy.

"If there are young mothers asking for maternity leave, the board should listen to them," said Lori Casillas, executive director of the Colorado Organization on Adolescent Pregnancy, Parenting, and Prevention. "If they think it is a barrier to graduation, the board should look at that."

Her organization advocates that schools provide child-care services for new moms. Too many girls drop out after giving birth, and schools must do something to keep them, Casillas said. ( some schools are nothing more than day care centers anyhew --so they might as well have a nursury on the tax payers dime)

Students at one high school in southern Colorado wanted to set up a child-care center, but the principal forbade it, saying it would encourage teen pregnancy, she said.

"There is no evidence that has ever happened," Casillas said. "I don't think schools have been proactive at creating policies that encourage young mothers to remain in school. Schools need to say, 'What if you do come back, then what?'

"Schools need to say, 'This is what we do to support your learning.' That's not happening."

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_7899096

Next the fathers will want a "family leave" -- How do you make up four weeks of missed courses and still expect to graduate with your class? And what about providing some kind of solid home tutoring policy while she is out for those 4 weeks?
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Old 01-08-2008, 10:14 AM
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( some schools are nothing more than day care centers anyhew --so they might as well have a nursury on the tax payers dime)
Ummm...NO.

I work, pay taxes, and pay lots of money to a babysitter. I'm not paying for someone else's babysitter, too. I don't think these girls should get a free pass because they pulled a Jamie Lynn.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:10 AM
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On the other hand, who knows, it could provide some measure of "birth control" within the school. Instead of these girls dropping out and never being seen around school again (there could be some "cool mystique" for those left in classes all day), they'll still be in circulation, probably exhausted and irritated, if the baby had a bad night, and they'll share the "real" stories of what having a baby is like, versus everyone else who can still talk about all their free time and social schedules. The set-up could require the moms to spend their lunch breaks or certain times of the day in the center and could also provide some parenting/coping courses, which I can only imagine 16, 17 year olds will desperately need. And I particularly see how trying something "different" like this might be a positive because:
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:20 AM
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On the other hand, who knows, it could provide some measure of "birth control" within the school. Instead of these girls dropping out and never being seen around school again (there could be some "cool mystique" for those left in classes all day), they'll still be in circulation, probably exhausted and irritated, if the baby had a bad night, and they'll share the "real" stories of what having a baby is like, versus everyone else who can still talk about all their free time and social schedules. The set-up could require the moms to spend their lunch breaks or certain times of the day in the center and could also provide some parenting/coping courses, which I can only imagine 16, 17 year olds will desperately need. And I particularly see how trying something "different" like this might be a positive because:

I suppose if it really was that common, they could have a daycare center and the girls AND THE FATHERS should have to take turns staffing it. Even if that means they have to take an extra semester or two because they had to spend a few free periods a day babysitting.
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:24 AM
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AND THE FATHERS
Oh, EXCELLENT point!!!!! Yes, that might definitely have some "ripple-effect" in the behaviors out there. Ok, big stud, you got her pregnant, now, this is how you change a dirty diaper...
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:53 AM
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I suppose if it really was that common, they could have a daycare center and the girls AND THE FATHERS should have to take turns staffing it. Even if that means they have to take an extra semester or two because they had to spend a few free periods a day babysitting.
Good idea...but then taxpayers would pay for having licenced staff *wink*

This whole thing is tho...it's almost a damned if you do, damned if you don't proposition.

And I honestly feel when doing things like this, it really undermines the already low bar of the educational system that we have in this country.

Not only would the ones in question get 4 weeks (provided that there are no complications) but they need to miss days to go to the doc and so forth...


I think that this program isn't encouraging them to go and get back into school and moreso pushing them towards dropping out...


If this plan is well thought out, I would like to see a provision in there somewhere that shows that while the mother is out, she get materials from the school that would allow her to keep up with what's going on in class....


Reality of it tho....is how many would really take advantage of that program?
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:56 AM
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Good idea...but then taxpayers would pay for having licenced staff *wink*
Licensed staff, my ass. You created it, you learn how to care for it. Babysitters don't have to be licensed, and I would think there would be a way to get around calling it an actual "daycare" center.
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Old 01-08-2008, 12:26 PM
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Google "day care in high schools" and you can find some places where this is already taking place. Here are just a couple of the links:
http://www.d321.k12.id.us/~Central/daycare.html
http://www.booth.k12.nf.ca/guidance/daycare.htm (I particularly like the graphic on the top right side of this page )
http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/1999/12...are991201.html (this one mentions the possible "deterrent" effect I mentioned earlier )
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Old 01-08-2008, 12:30 PM
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Old 01-08-2008, 03:02 PM
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My dad worked at an alternative High School for a while in B'more. I think the daycare staff there was licensed by the state, as well as CC students who were getting there certificate in child care operations or what have you.

I find it ironic that the mothers are forced to struggle, but the fathers get off scott free. And I bet Colorado has one of those abistinence-only sex ed programs. That's working out well, don't you think?
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Old 01-08-2008, 07:03 PM
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Four weeks seems like too much, but returning the day after being discharged from the hospital is way too soon.

There should be no school leave for bonding purposes, IMO. Sick days to physically recover, sure, and you moms on GC know better than I how long it would take. A girl who wants to stay exactly on track with her class needs to miss as few days as possible.

Students can make up credits in summer school or night school every place, right? Or worst case, repeat the grade without cost to them?

So basically, there's no real penalty other than lose of academic credit if you withdraw. So any girl who wanted too could take a semester or a year's worth of leave to bond; she just couldn't expect to advance at school as if she were present and mastering material.

I'm also looking at it from the teacher's perspective. Unless she was extremely academically motivated (which isn't a trait I associate with teen pregnancy in most cases), she's not going to be able to get caught up and learn the new material when she gets back. The grading period is probably a wash anyway.

IMO, the best position is to waive any truancy laws or policies and just let them come back the next quarter or semester or whatever. Or arrange credit by examination for the girls who have their kids at the end of one semester. If you can pass the final, you get credit.
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Old 01-08-2008, 07:09 PM
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And I bet Colorado has one of those abistinence-only sex ed programs. That's working out well, don't you think?
Do you really think that teenagers get pregnant because they don't know how babies are made or don't know they can buy condoms at the store?

It's not that I think we only need abstinence only programs: I just think it's wrong to assume that sex ed format contributes to pregnancy.

I think we could count on one hand the number of teenagers who got pregnant this year who didn't know where they could get condoms. I think they just didn't bother because they didn't want to stop what they were doing right then.

It's a breakdown someplace for sure, but I'm not sure it's at the curriculum level.
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Old 01-08-2008, 07:20 PM
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I think we could count on one hand the number of teenagers who got pregnant this year who didn't know where they could get condoms. I think they just didn't bother because they didn't want to stop what they were doing right then.

It's a breakdown someplace for sure, but I'm not sure it's at the curriculum level.
Not only that, but many kids that age think they are invincible and "it won't happen to me".
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Do you really think that teenagers get pregnant because they don't know how babies are made or don't know they can buy condoms at the store?
I said that because this adminstration seems hell bent on keeping ALL the information about contraception from kids. It could be both reasons, for all I know ("you can't get pregnant the first time you have sex, etc. type of reasonings).

I do think that there should be some other format to keep teen PARENTS in school (not just mom, but dad too).

I was up and about two days after giving birth (with an uncomplicated vaginal birth). I was able to resume normal daily actvities about 2 weeks later. Four weeks is a bit much I think for a regular birth, but it depends on the mom's and baby's condition, post partum.

AF: *applause*
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Old 01-08-2008, 09:18 PM
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I said that because this adminstration seems hell bent on keeping ALL the information about contraception from kids. It could be both reasons, for all I know ("you can't get pregnant the first time you have sex, etc. type of reasonings).

I do think that there should be some other format to keep teen PARENTS in school (not just mom, but dad too).

I was up and about two days after giving birth (with an uncomplicated vaginal birth). I was able to resume normal daily actvities about 2 weeks later. Four weeks is a bit much I think for a regular birth, but it depends on the mom's and baby's condition, post partum.

AF: *applause*
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What does the federal administration really have to do with what sex ed program a district or state uses? The most they could do is not offer additional federal funding for other programs which isn't the same as prohibiting them. The vast majority of education funding in at the state level. I think a lot of people don't really understand it's kind of a supplementary kind of think funding through welfare, as near as I can tell. School districts can still do whatever, unless STATE law prohibits it.

Do you really think we'd have had fewer teen pregnancies if Kerry had won? Really?? So who in the present field of candidates can be depended on to get the kids to wrap it up?

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