Theta Chi at Duke Going Local - Page 4

tunatartare · #46 10-19-2006, 01:48 PM

If a fraternity that has a house disaffiliates, what happens to the house?

Sailboat Sis · #47 10-19-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KLPDaisy

If a fraternity that has a house disaffiliates, what happens to the house?

Not sure, but Dook does not have fraternity houses. They live in sections rather which is nothing more than a dorm.

Also, don't quote me on this, but I thought Dook's other local fraternity was in danger of losing their charter, so they broke with Nationals instead. Kind of a "you can't fire me because I quit!" type statement.

TSteven · #48 10-19-2006, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KLPDaisy

If a fraternity that has a house disaffiliates, what happens to the house?

The house remains in the possession of who owns it. Which could be any or the following. The chapter's housing corporation, the GLO's inter/national headquarters, the GLO's inter/national housing corporation, the university, or the landlord if leased.

Elephant Walk · #49 10-19-2006, 02:51 PM

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Is that at Arkansas or LSU?

Arkansas, but both could do it. The LSU chapter I was with was damn good and respected by nationals to a high degree. We could have crapped on a floor at Conclave and they would've saved it as a way to make their chapter better.

RU OX Alum · #50 10-19-2006, 03:12 PM

I wonder if they'll be called Gamma Sigma

IvySpice · #51 10-19-2006, 03:36 PM

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on smaller elite campuses the local chapters simply don't feel as much need to be part of a general fraternity

That's right. At those schools, the national college alumni networks are so powerful in and of themselves, and the chapters so densely packed with people who will become highly successful in different fields, that the network from that one chapter will provide everything you need.

PeppyGPhiB · #52 10-19-2006, 06:06 PM

I went to a small private school that is extremely selective with its admissions, and our greek system actually moved from locals to nationals ten years ago. Why? Because with the local system, no one was in control. Hazing was a problem, and with no national organizations to watch over the chapters, they did whatever they wanted. The national organizations have established programming, are willing to work with the school, and have brought in more members to the greek system.

I think most groups go local when they don't want to follow the rules. They thought joining a fraternity/sorority would be all fun & games, then when they joined, they were disappointed to find order instead.

For some groups, especially at "elite" schools, I think it may have more to do with personalities and life experience. The kids at Ivies, or similar, fought to get to the top of their high school classes so they could be at the best colleges. They weren't content to be one of the pack...they were independent. Many are very ambitious leaders and like doing things their way. Some are control freaks. Maybe they find locals better suit their desire to have complete control and do things their way.

...just another way of looking at things.

g41965 · #53 10-19-2006, 06:20 PM

One of the four most prominent chapters at UT-Austin, their house is a landmark named something close to Buen Retiro if I remember correctly, this house has hands down the best location at UT right on Guadelupe they own a lakehouse, are strong in Spurs (the guys who tend Bevo)and Cowboys( the guys who shoot the cannon) and were a pretty decent group of guys. On a social level their only competition is SAE, KA and Delt, Sig Ep is a step down Maybe Phi Psi.

tallgreekalum · #54 10-19-2006, 06:24 PM

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Has this happened? Where a national chapter at an SEC or Big Twelve school went local? Not saying it hasn't happened, but I don't recall hearing of it. Nor of any prominent Southern "old line" gentleman (young or old) leaving a national to become a member of the Yada-Yada Brotherhood.

I know there are several chapters of old-line fraternities that have gone local in the the South. Vandy has their old Sigma Nu chapter still going strong, and I think that Phi Delt is still there as a local.
Sewanee's and Virginia's Phi delt chapters pulled out over dry house and pledge program issues. I know Kappa Sig's been pulling charters at several schools, including the MySpace (or Facebook) fiasco at Ole Miss. I don't know if any of them are planning on continuing or not.

Also, regarding our (ADPhi) new affiliate at Duke, I know that they felt that they wanted what a national organization had to offer, just not what their old national was offering. We have resisted the dry house and pledge program purging trends, and are doing quite well.

Tom Earp · #55 10-19-2006, 06:29 PM

So, I just wonder how many Brothers/Sisters they would have to come back to in later Years?

WOW, how many would they know over the years and all over the world?

PeppyGPhiB · #56 10-19-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tallgreekalum

I know there are several chapters of old-line fraternities that have gone local in the the South. Vandy has their old Sigma Nu chapter still going strong, and I think that Phi Delt is still there as a local.
Sewanee's and Virginia's Phi delt chapters pulled out over dry house and pledge program issues. I know Kappa Sig's been pulling charters at several schools, including the MySpace (or Facebook) fiasco at Ole Miss. I don't know if any of them are planning on continuing or not.

This is a good point. A lot of locals probably proactively go that way once they catch on that national is going to pull the charter.

Sailboat Sis · #57 10-19-2006, 07:08 PM

What in the world is the "MySpace fiasco?"

TSteven · #58 10-19-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tallgreekalum

I know there are several chapters of old-line fraternities that have gone local in the the South. Vandy has their old Sigma Nu chapter still going strong, and I think that Phi Delt is still there as a local.

Sewanee's and Virginia's Phi delt chapters pulled out over dry house and pledge program issues. I know Kappa Sig's been pulling charters at several schools, including the MySpace (or Facebook) fiasco at Ole Miss. I don't know if any of them are planning on continuing or not.

As I recall, of the ones you have listed, only Phi Delta Theta's chapter at Sewanee decided to disaffiliate and become a local. The "Phi Society" or something like that.

Vanderbilt's Sigma Nu and Phi Delta Theta are in the process of re-colonizing. Virginia's Phi Delta Theta chapter was re-colonized a few years back. As for Kappa Sigma at Ole Miss, I believe they are still on suspension. But frankly, I venture to guess that given Kappa Sigma's tradition at Ole Miss, they too will be back. Not sure if they will "need to" re-colonize or not. But if so, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't happen sooner than later.

TSteven · #59 10-19-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailboat Sis

What in the world is the "MySpace fiasco?"

Ole Miss Kappa Sigma Charter Revoked (Appeal Possible)

tallgreekalum · #60 10-20-2006, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TSteven

As I recall, of the ones you have listed, only Phi Delta Theta's chapter at Sewanee decided to disaffiliate and become a local. The "Phi Society" or something like that.

Vanderbilt's Sigma Nu and Phi Delta Theta are in the process of re-colonizing. Virginia's Phi Delta Theta chapter was re-colonized a few years back. As for Kappa Sigma at Ole Miss, I believe they are still on suspension. But frankly, I venture to guess that given Kappa Sigma's tradition at Ole Miss, they too will be back. Not sure if they will "need to" re-colonize or not. But if so, I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't happen sooner than later.

You are correct, but in all these cases, the original group remains as a local fraternity. Depending on the attitudes of alumni, some have continued to support the old chapter, some have supported the new group.
The Old Phi Delt at Virginia is also called "Phi Society" and the Sigma Nu Chapter is called "Sigma Society".