Relations between the Jewish community and GLOs - Page 4

NutBrnHair · #46 10-21-2003, 12:33 PM

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Originally posted by White_Chocolate
my sorority is non secretarian

Hmmm...a new term? I do hope this doesn't mean you discriminate against administrative assistants!

honeychile · #47 10-21-2003, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by NutBrnHair
Hmmm...a new term? I do hope this doesn't mean you discriminate against administrative assistants!

Thank you for the first good laugh I've had today!!!

Sister Havana · #48 10-29-2003, 02:48 AM

This is an interesting thread!

Disclaimer: I am Jewish and am not a member of any sorority. That said, where I went to school we had five predominantly Jewish GLOs: AEPhi, AEPi, Sammy, SDT, and ZBT. I don't know much about the fraternities, but the sorority that seemed to have the most Jewish members (after AEPhi and SDT) was, oddly enough, Chi Omega. There were several Jewish members of Alpha Xi Delta and AOPi too. It did seem that each house had at least a couple Jewish girls taken in each pledge class.

I did rush (dropped out midway through for personal reasons) and can say that I only felt seriously uncomfortable because of my religion at one house. Every other house it just wasn't a big deal. (Nobody asked me if I was Jewish or anything like that at any of the houses. This one particular house it was pretty obvious that Christianity was a big part of the house vibe, if that makes any sense.)

AEPhiSierra · #49 11-13-2003, 12:49 PM

I think what makes people feel comfortable or uncomfortable is what role chapters feel they have as historically jewish glo's. Some chapters might feel they should embrace/encourage judaism by having many events affiliated with hillel, shabbat dinners and jewish philanthropies. Other chapters might feel its more about having a chapter where jewish members can feel comfortable without being completely jewish in purpose i.e. having kosher food available at events and not having events on shabbos but officially affiliating themselves with hillel.

my chapter (imho) falls under the latter. and i feel that kind of attitude can extend positively towards other religions and promote being considerate of people of all religions. Just as we wouldn't have an event/meeting on Rosh Hashanah we wouldn't have an event on Good Friday. And while my chapter is mostly jewish b/c of our national reputation we specifically recruit non-jews b/c we want some diversity, we don't want everyone to be exactly the same.

There is a chapter on my campus that falls under the first category I described and while they do accept non-jews I do not see how they are comfortable in the chaper. I don't think I personally would be comfortable where most of the activities revolved around being Jewish.

AXORissa · #50 11-14-2003, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by AEPhiSierra

There is a chapter on my campus that falls under the first category I described and while they do accept non-jews I do not see how they are comfortable in the chaper. I don't think I personally would be comfortable where most of the activities revolved around being Jewish.

heh, me too, I would feel uncomfortable only participating in Jewish activities, especially if they were on the religious/orthodoxy side. Having a seder for Passover, an informal sisterhood event to services, maybe, if t was occasionally and not the focus of the sisterhood. But if I solely wanted to be doing Jewish-related activities, I would have been active in Hillel. Being in a sorority is about many things, and one thing I experienced being in a diverse chapter was learning about new people. Besides, there were enough Jews in my chapter that I didnt feel out of place, and religion played no role in my chapter, other than getting out of meetings on any major Jewish/Christian holiday.

sammysfa · #51 08-26-2004, 05:19 AM

Hey AEPI is not the only Jewish Fraternity. Actually they are nebishes and if we showed up on most of those campuses AEPI would not get anybody to join. Sammy is a much better Fraternity and so is ZBT. Our guys are more social and not as zealous about being Jewish. We actually give more money to Jewish causes and the campuses we are at, but just are quieter about it. AEPI has to brag about being Jewish because they have nothing else worth bragging about.

Proud to be a Sammy. I wouldn't wipe my ass with AEPI toliet paper.

Senusret I · #52 08-26-2004, 07:03 AM

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Originally posted by sammysfa
Hey AEPI is not the only Jewish Fraternity. Actually they are nebishes and if we showed up on most of those campuses AEPI would not get anybody to join. Sammy is a much better Fraternity and so is ZBT. Our guys are more social and not as zealous about being Jewish. We actually give more money to Jewish causes and the campuses we are at, but just are quieter about it. AEPI has to brag about being Jewish because they have nothing else worth bragging about.

Proud to be a Sammy. I wouldn't wipe my ass with AEPI toliet paper.

Is that why your most famous member hit a woman on national television?

Let's not start throwing stones in glass houses.

KSigkid · #53 08-26-2004, 07:50 AM

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Originally posted by sammysfa
Hey AEPI is not the only Jewish Fraternity. Actually they are nebishes and if we showed up on most of those campuses AEPI would not get anybody to join. Sammy is a much better Fraternity and so is ZBT. Our guys are more social and not as zealous about being Jewish. We actually give more money to Jewish causes and the campuses we are at, but just are quieter about it. AEPI has to brag about being Jewish because they have nothing else worth bragging about.

Proud to be a Sammy. I wouldn't wipe my ass with AEPI toliet paper.

Now come on...that's a hell of a statement to make.

You don't exactly represent your organization well when you come on talking trash like that. Give it a rest.

kddani · #54 08-26-2004, 08:01 AM

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Originally posted by sammysfa
Hey AEPI is not the only Jewish Fraternity. Actually they are nebishes and if we showed up on most of those campuses AEPI would not get anybody to join. Sammy is a much better Fraternity and so is ZBT.

Hey, that's an @sshole thing to say. Way to represent your fraternity.

BTW- Sammy has been dying at my school for years- they've averaged 6 men and have been down to ONE person for awhile. Not sure if the HQ has finally pulled the plug or not. AEPi has been alive and well, as is ZBT. So don't talk isht unless you can back it up

ilovemyglo · #55 08-26-2004, 09:06 AM

someone asked if there are any christian groups that deny membership-
I can't speak on a national level, but I do know an org at my school during rush that puts OBIC (Our Belief in Christ) on all their cars and such and have told women that are jewish that they can't join because of their ritual...
I had a Jewish friend rush and she had told me about it- she said she appreciated their honesty, and yes, she had asked the girl if her being Jewish was an issue- basically the girl told her, yes and she was dropped next round.

adpiucf · #56 08-26-2004, 09:23 AM

I am Jewish and didn't rush until my sophomore year. In my freshman year, I was really involved with Hillel. I even helped them during orientations the following fall-- our university set up a room for clubs and organizations to promote and recruit at orientation.

At the Hillel table, I would always be asked, "My son/daughter is rushing. Which one is the Jewish fraternity/sorority?"

I wasn't Greek at the point, but I was planning on rushing that fall. I told them, based on my observation as a GDI, that we didn't have a historically Jewish sorority on campus, but ABC and XYZ were currently the chapters with more Jewish girls. At that point, we did have a new AEPi chapter on campus, but there were also guys in other fraternities who had a large concentration of Jewish guys.

When I went through rush, my religion wasn't an issue. I WAS on the executive board of Hillel at that point as VP of Public Relations or somesuch office, and I was frequently introduced as, "This is ADPiUCF (ok, I was GDI-UCF at that point!) and she's VP of PR for Hillel." People seemed impressed that I was involved in leadership on campus... Maybe it made me "diverse." Whatever. I ended up preffing what would be considered two top tier sororities at my school, and I can't complain about where I ended up. ADPi was sensitive to the fact that there would be members who were not Christian and they took great care to make sure that we never felt our beliefs were compromised or unnoticed.

I think today, the school is more ethnically diverse than it was in the mid-late 90s.

33girl · #57 08-26-2004, 09:54 AM

I didn't think anyone used the word "nebbish" anymore since Alan King croaked.

Senusret, are you referring to RW Steven? I thought he was something else other than a Sammy.

Rudey · #58 08-26-2004, 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by sammysfa
Hey AEPI is not the only Jewish Fraternity. Actually they are nebishes and if we showed up on most of those campuses AEPI would not get anybody to join. Sammy is a much better Fraternity and so is ZBT. Our guys are more social and not as zealous about being Jewish. We actually give more money to Jewish causes and the campuses we are at, but just are quieter about it. AEPI has to brag about being Jewish because they have nothing else worth bragging about.

Proud to be a Sammy. I wouldn't wipe my ass with AEPI toliet paper.

Sammy and not ZBT are no longer Jewish fraternities. They are historically Jewish fraternities. What may have been, no longer is.

What percentage of your fraternity is Jewish? How many chapters are left?

Don't worry too much about us though...we'll just keep growing while you keep on hating.

Didn't your chapter hurt pretty bad and get suspended? Are you a part of the IFC again yet or have they not allowed you back on little hick boy?

-Rudey
--By the way how come so many of your chapters are dying off? I think you're down to 65 or so now huh?

MooseGirl · #59 08-26-2004, 12:52 PM

I wouldn't agree with White Chocolate that most of our chapters are predominately Jewish (or whateever she said exactly)

We are non-sectarian as she wrote, and that is because some of our founders were Jewish - they were of different faiths and not allowed to join the same sorority.

on my undergrad campus, I'm not sure exactly the involvement between greeks and Hillel. I know I had one sister who was on the executive for the Jewish Student Association - she would tell me all about stuff going on. I know she went to Shabbat a couple times, and I now when they had a Holocaust survivor visit campus, some Phi sigs (including our advisor who is Catholic and took her kids out of school for it) went to see him speak.

Once on campus a woman approached us, she had just transferred here and wanted to know if Pi Lambda Phi was Jewish here as well. We told her no - there were a couple guys who were Jewish, but majority wasn't.

As for where I am for Grad school I have absolutely no clue, esp since I haven't met any Greeks. All I know is i'm always defending greek life to the grad students who did their undergrad here as well(and have somehow gotten a bad perception of GLOs)

Sister Havana · #60 08-26-2004, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
Senusret, are you referring to RW Steven? I thought he was something else other than a Sammy.

Nope, Seattle Stephen was a Sammy. I remember he made a big deal about it in the casting special and showed him celebrating Shabbat with his brothers. On the actual show, I don't think he wore letters or anything.

IIRC, I think he got kicked out of his chapter after the show ended for that slap, among other things.