Hobby Lobby

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by badgeguy

Just like chick fil a.....

I think the one day versus a six weeks of essentially paying two people is what one would think businesses would want...

I'm all for choices. Each individual has a choice. Business and government shouldn't interfere with those.

The two scenarios aren't equivalent. Businesses that close one day a week every week are closed for what comes close to two months' time. That's a significant amount of profit to decide that you don't want to pursue. Its a business decision to be made, pure and simple.

American women aren't guaranteed paid maternity leave. In fact, only businesses that are large enough to fall under the provisions of the Family Medical Leave Act have to provide up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave. Do some companies choose to provide paid benefits? Sure, but talking about a retail operation like Hobby Lobby doing so for the vast majority of their hourly employees (who are the most impacted by the company's decision regarding birth control) is just not likely. My point is that if an hourly employee goes on maternity leave there, they're probably not paying two people.

To your second point, Hobby Lobby is not telling their employees that they can't decide to use any form of birth control. Just that they don't want to pay for it.

Does it make sense to pay for birth control as a business decision? Maybe. It depends on your business model.

[AGDee]

They don't pay for it anyway, the insurance company does. Unless they are self insured (and few companies are- usually the biggest of the big companies), they do not pay that bill. I don't see any insurance company saying "well we don't cover IUDs and PlanB for this employer, let's lower their insurance."

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by AGDee

They don't pay for it anyway, the insurance company does. Unless they are self insured (and few companies are- usually the biggest of the big companies), they do not pay that bill. I don't see any insurance company saying "well we don't cover IUDs and PlanB for this employer, let's lower their insurance."

Every company that I have worked for in the last 12 years has been self insured, and they range from small regionals to internationals. I know you have some knowledge about the industry, but insurers tailor the plans based on what the employers are willing to pay for/offer. So in essence, employer money would be paying for it.

For the record, I think birth control should be mandatory and you're only allowed to get off it when you've proven that you can be a responsible parent. Kidding. Sort of.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

For the record, I think birth control should be mandatory and you're only allowed to get off it when you've proven that you can be a responsible parent. Kidding. Sort of.

As if there isn't enough sexism, classism, racism, and ethnocentrism in the world.

I don't believe in required birth control or any equivalent. Such restrictions are the opposite extreme of limits to BC and the pro-life movement.

I believe in a medium. I believe there should be world sex education and reproductive education that teaches people that sexuality isn't shameful, reproductive rights are important, having children is a choice and not a requirement or obligation, and children are preventable without abstinence, more people in the world need to be given the resources to make reproductive choices rather than mistakes. I'm tired of people acting as though having children is required and unavoidable. I'm tired of people acting like they don't know how reproduction happens as though children just show up at their doorsteps. I'm tired of people making womanhood synonymous with motherhood; and adulthood synonymous with parenthood. And I'm tired of parents around the world spending more time planning when and how they will defecate than they spend planning to have children and learning that parenting is way more stress than it is romanticized fun and cuteness.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I believe in a medium. I believe there should be world sex education and reproductive education that teaches people that sexuality isn't shameful, reproductive rights are important, having children is a choice and not a requirement or obligation, and children are preventable without abstinence, more people in the world need to be given the resources to make reproductive choices rather than mistakes. I'm tired of people acting as though having children is required and unavoidable. I'm tired of people acting like they don't know how reproduction happens as though children just show up at their doorsteps. I'm tired of people making womanhood synonymous with motherhood; and adulthood synonymous with parenthood. And I'm tired of parents around the world spending more time planning when and how they will defecate than they spend planning to have children and learning that parenting is way more stress than it is romanticized fun and cuteness.

[pinksequins]

Self- insurance typically addresses the company's losses (property and casualty, professional liability) , not the insuarance that it offers its employees. Insurance offered to employees is not self- insurance.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by pinksequins

Self- insurance typically addresses the company's losses (property and casualty, professional liability) , not the insuarance that it offers its employees. Insurance offered to employees is not self- insurance.

It does, but health insurance can also be self-funded. Wiki is not the best source, but I think this explains things fairly well.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-funded_health_care

[amIblue?]

^^^ I really was kidding. The "sort of" part comes in when I see how miserable children's lives can be when they are unplanned for and subsequently unwanted (abuse, neglect, etc.) but in all honesty, I am not in any way in favor of any type of authority of the nature that I commented about.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

^^^ I really was kidding. The "sort of" part comes in when I see how miserable children's lives can be when they are unplanned for and subsequently unwanted (abuse, neglect, etc.) but in all honesty, I am not in any way in favor of any type of authority of the nature that I commented about.

Yes and that's a result of:
1. Lack of proper sex education
2. Natalism
3. Refusal to believe there are and have always been humans who don't want to reproduce.
4. Refusal to believe there are and have always been humans who are horrible parents--including people who want to reproduce.
5. Weak access to preventive resources
6. Weak access to prenatal care
7. Generations of changes regarding the purposes behind sexuality and reproduction/childbearing.
8. Generations of hypocrisy of practically being begged and forced to reproduce but not being taught shit about what to do with the children. The people who practically begged and coerced people to reproduce are suddenly preoccupied and unable to assist; and when people seek assistance they are told "you shouldn't have children if you aren't prepared." Well, no shit, but when people were busy begging and coercing people to have children, they say "you have to have children" and "don't worry you'll never truly be ready...no amount of planning can prepare you." Stop telling people that and then acting shocked that there are 7 billion people in this struggling world and hundreds of thousands of children in every country who are abused and abandoned. What else can we expect when humans act like ants laying eggs to build ant mounds.

[pinksequins]

I get the "sort of" in the second paragraph. : ). I was looking at the first sentence stating that most of the companies for which you worked was self- insured. (That would be the company assuming the risk for its own losses rather than buying a policy). : )

[pinksequins]

Our mails crossed! Let me read your reference. Thanks!

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by pinksequins

I get the "sort of" in the second paragraph. : ). I was looking at the first sentence stating that most of the companies for which you worked was self- insured. (That would be the company assuming the risk for its own losses rather than buying a policy). : )

I know. I'm in risk management and insurance.

Originally Posted by pinksequins

Our mails crossed! Let me read your reference. Thanks!

[pinksequins]

I wasn't famiiar with self-funded health coverage. I learned something new. Thanks!

[amIblue?]

Sometimes I have to google some of the isms you mention, but keep it coming. I learn a lot.

[DrPhil]

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