Intentional Single Preference (ISP) is Bad - Page 4

melindawarren · #1 10-23-2011, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DubaiSis

My understanding is QA's go to the lowest recruiting strength chapter. If you're talking 3 chapters that all make quota, the lowest recruiting strength chapter may not be apparent by those not in the know or sitting in the room with the computer and the lists.

In this scenario, this girl SHOULD go bidless, but unfair as it is, she would get a bid.

I thought some QAs could also go to the PNM's first choice? I am probably wrong and DubaiSis is probably right, but I want to make sure I have my facts straight.

And that totally sucks for the chapters involved.

DeltaBetaBaby · #2 10-23-2011, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by melindawarren

I thought some QAs could also go to the PNM's first choice? I am probably wrong and DubaiSis is probably right, but I want to make sure I have my facts straight.

And that totally sucks for the chapters involved.

The MOI is remarkably vague on this. The people placing the QA's have a lot of leeway. They are supposed to take into consideration the chapter size, the relative recruiting strength, and the PNM's preference.

dukedg · #3 10-23-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by melindawarren

I thought some QAs could also go to the PNM's first choice? I am probably wrong and DubaiSis is probably right, but I want to make sure I have my facts straight.

And that totally sucks for the chapters involved.

All campuses that I have dealt with place quota additions based on PNM preference rather than on a chapter's recruiting strength. I feel like PNM preference is by far the more common method.

What have others who have worked on numerous campuses seen?

AnchorAlumna · #4 10-24-2011, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DubaiSis

My understanding is QA's go to the lowest recruiting strength chapter.

In theory...but in practice, it seems the bigger chapters get the most QAs. That's the way the formula works (but don't ask me for a specific explanation!).
As before, the big get bigger and the small either stagnate or shrink.

KSUViolet06 · #5 10-23-2011, 09:07 PM

^^^^It's been the same in my experience as well (at a number of schools I work with.) QAs tend to be placed based on the PNMs preference. That's why at times you'll see a chapter hit quota + 6 or something high like that. Because they were given the QAs who ranked them high.

Some chapters don't like that method because at times, an already strong recruiting chapter will get like 6 or 7 QAs (because that's just the way PNM preference worked out) while another barely makes quota or misses it altogether.

It sucks, but my theory is that if Patty PNM wanted XYZ and was in the position to receive a bid there as a QA, she should get it just because if you place her elsewhere based on other factors, she will most likely depledge anyway.

Ex: If she is in the position to be matched with XYZ (her 1st choice) as a QA, and Panhellenic says "well you know, ABC needs one more to make quota, she ranked them 3rd, so let's place her there" and matches her with ABC, she's not going to be happy and she's probably going to decline, leaving ABC with an open spot anyway. So I'm all about QA placement by preference.

DeltaBetaBaby · #6 10-23-2011, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

^^^^It's been the same in my experience as well (at a number of schools I work with.) QAs tend to be placed based on the PNMs preference. That's why at times you'll see a chapter hit quota + 6 or something high like that. Because they were given the QAs who ranked them high.

Some chapters don't like that method because at times, an already strong recruiting chapter will get like 6 or 7 QAs (because that's just the way PNM preference worked out) while another barely makes quota or misses it altogether.

It sucks, but my theory is that if Patty PNM wanted XYZ and was in the position to receive a bid there as a QA, she should get it just because if you place her elsewhere based on other factors, she will most likely depledge anyway.

Ex: If she is in the position to be matched with XYZ (her 1st choice) as a QA, and Panhellenic says "well you know, ABC needs one more to make quota, she ranked them 3rd, so let's place her there" and matches her with ABC, she's not going to be happy and she's probably going to decline, leaving ABC with an open spot anyway. So I'm all about QA placement by preference.

Bad example. If she listed a group on her card that didn't make quota, she wouldn't be a QA. It's more like her third choice made quota, but is generally a weak recruiting chapter and may be the smallest in total.

KSUViolet06 · #7 10-24-2011, 12:23 AM

^^^^^Jeez. I screwed that up. It's been a long weekend. I promise I know what I'm talking about. lol.

DubaiSis · #8 10-25-2011, 12:59 AM

One reason could be because Suzie rushee prefs the #1, 2 and 3 chapters on campus. If she's a quota addition to #3, it's not going to look very weak versus the #10 chapter who Suzie dropped on day 1. Although I know girls can pref chapters across the entire spectrum, do they more typically pref sororities that are pretty close on the recruiting strength spectrum?

KSUViolet06 · #9 10-25-2011, 01:03 PM

^^^Generally, although with the implementation of the RFM, I find that many schools are seeing less distance between chapters on said spectrum.

It used to be that you would have some really big chapters who are obviously strong, some middle, and some who are VERY obviously weaker. With the RFM, we're seeing those gaps between the middle and lower recruiting strengths close up a little so it isn't always super obvious who's weak at recruiting.

carnation · #10 07-16-2012, 07:20 PM

Does anyone have any new thoughts? I still feel like okay, if you have to, you have to, just realize that you may go bidless.

KSUViolet06 · #11 07-16-2012, 07:24 PM

^^^Honestly, I still today feel like it's fine if you're okay with that.

However, I challenge the notion of "I just don't fit" but that's another thread. lol.

carnation · #12 07-16-2012, 07:32 PM

That would be a good one! Do you want to start it?

33girl · #13 07-16-2012, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jen

I think it depends on the campus. 30 person chapters? Yeah, I can see SIPing if you don't feel you fit somewhere. 100 person chapters? Not so much.

Concur 100%.

At those 30 person chapter schools, yes, there are women who can fit in everywhere and would be happy with any chapter, but they are few and far between. The line between feeling sisterhood and feeling friendship can be thin, but strong. (Stronger than you realize until many years later.)

HQWest · #14 07-17-2012, 12:15 AM

I also think that it should be noted here that some schools have QA go with te PNMs choice and at some the QA still goes to whichever of her choiced is smaller. This can lead to big problems if someone forgets to take graduating seniors off the roster before recruitment....

Momto2girls · #15 09-25-2013, 05:47 PM

Hi,

I know this is an old thread, but the topic is right. My daughter has a question (she is going through as a member for the first time). She had a rush crush who had three houses for pref. (DD knows this girl from before). Girl was not 100% sure about 2 houses so sip'd one house. Got the call. My daughter is wondering if she is eligible for cor as they have a few spots open to make total. I told her that I was almost positive that she was not, but wanted to make sure that I was right.

Thanks so much