California Want to Legalize, Regulate and Tax Marijuana

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

Well I guess you feign offended pretty well, then.



I think when I said "because they're not endangering their children or pets to prolonged exposure" I covered that pretty well. It's a choice that's their right to make, and bully for them for sacrificing themselves so that their kids don't have to deal with many of the the longterm effects of their addiction.

ETA: Whether or not I smoke pot is none of your business, but since I've already posted it, no I do not. Haven't you already been flamed for point blank asking people questions that are none of your business before?

And now a word from Mr. Mackey:

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

If more people will have access to it, more people will try it and continue to use it.

Oh. QED huh?

[Zephyrus]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

ETA: looks like more of this kind of thing.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Qixm8uuUE

I almost used that same video as my sig. Good group.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Why even make it legal? I guess if you're a pot smoker then you would be all for it.

I personally could give a sht if they make it legal or not, I'm still going to get it and smoke it.

Originally Posted by Kevin

1) It costs a crapton of money to enforce the law.

2) It costs another crapton of money to warehouse nonviolent (drugs only) offenders.

3) Keeping marijuana illegal allows organized crime to have a major source of revenue which leads to violence and in Mexico's case, government instability which leads to a lot of deaths and bad stuff which wouldn't happen if the drug was being sold legitimately.

4) It's a low cost way for many people with serious ailments to deal with those ailments without the use of expensive drugs which may have undesirable side-effects (as far as I know, and I've never used the stuff, so I don't have much frame of reference, marijuana doesn't have any undesirable side effects, bad interactions or anything which might give rise to concern).

5) Constant marijuana use isn't nearly as bad for you as continuous alcohol use.

ETA: 6) In the Netherlands, where the stuff is quasi-legal, there is just about no problem with meth and other drug use is drastically lower.

7) An extension of #6: Many terrorist groups and other international bad guys make a lot of money producing or transporting other drugs for use in the United States. Legalization of marijuana would be a huge financial blow.

Agreed. Making it legal isn't going to change a thing, at least nothing that's a major change. Sure, you'll have your accidents, but I've seen some idiots getting into accidents just because they don't know how to drive.

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

Yeah, I'm sure there will be some designated areas, but what about just walking around outside smoking it like a cigarette. I jog every morning so what if I pass someone smoking it and I smell it. That's unfair to me.

No offense, but your post on this issue suck. Here's why. You're pissed because you don't want to smell it and you think it effects your health, because of that you want to keep it illegal. If that's the case, then make transportation illegal too. Cars and buses effect your health too, because you breathe in the pollution daily.

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

You can't get a contact high from simply smelling pot as you run by.

You can't get lung cancer from simply smelling pot OR cigarettes as you run by.

If someone is completely wasted and reeks of booze, you can't get drunk from smelling it, and as long as that person doesn't touch you or harm you in any way, they are fully within their rights. "Harm" does not include "that person is smelly."

You don't *have* to do anything. But are you proposing an outlaw on passing gas because the smell is obnoxious? What about Indian Food, you wanna outlaw that too?

Coffee isn't "good" for you and some people can't stand the smell. I say we should ban drinking coffee in public places. After all, it seems like I'm using the same logic as you.

Any health risk to you as a non smoker and someone who doesn't smoke pot as you run by someone who is doing either of those things is negligible.

Come up with better reasons for the continued outlaw of marijuana. "Oh well I guess if they just do it in their homes that would be OK" is not a good reason. There are better reasons than that.

I agree with some of this, but most of your comparisons are pretty shitty. Do you bust your ass in pubilc or while you're at work? Why or why not? Trying to make a point by comparing a natural bodily function to smoking really didn't get your point across. I agree with some of it though and that's because I smoke it.

[Zephyrus]

Anyone else who smokes it should get four going at the same time.

[Zephyrus]

Originally Posted by AGDee

It's so ironic to me that there is a push to legalize marijuana while at the same time, it's almost illegal to smoke cigarettes in so many places. With the tobacco companies losing law suits like the one in the other current thread, I can't see a company taking on the liability of selling marijuana legally. It's not that I'm opposed to the legalization of marijuana, because I'm not, but the seemingly opposite pushes happening at the same time strike me as odd.

The tobacco companies lied that's why they were losing law suits.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Zephyrus

I agree with some of this, but most of your comparisons are pretty shitty.

Yes I would say a reference to farting would be a shitty comparison, LOL.

[Zephyrus]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

Yes I would say a reference to farting would be a shitty comparison, LOL.

hahahaha good catch. Still would like to know. Would you bust your ass in public?

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by Kevin

1) It costs a crapton of money to enforce the law.

2) It costs another crapton of money to warehouse nonviolent (drugs only) offenders.

3) Keeping marijuana illegal allows organized crime to have a major source of revenue which leads to violence and in Mexico's case, government instability which leads to a lot of deaths and bad stuff which wouldn't happen if the drug was being sold legitimately.

4) It's a low cost way for many people with serious ailments to deal with those ailments without the use of expensive drugs which may have undesirable side-effects (as far as I know, and I've never used the stuff, so I don't have much frame of reference, marijuana doesn't have any undesirable side effects, bad interactions or anything which might give rise to concern).

5) Constant marijuana use isn't nearly as bad for you as continuous alcohol use.

ETA: 6) In the Netherlands, where the stuff is quasi-legal, there is just about no problem with meth and other drug use is drastically lower.

7) An extension of #6: Many terrorist groups and other international bad guys make a lot of money producing or transporting other drugs for use in the United States. Legalization of marijuana would be a huge financial blow.

This.

I'm tired of pot smokers and dealers taking up all the cushy spaces in our prisons because of ridiculous mandatory sentencing policies. I'd much rather save room for murderers and rapists who should be serving sentences far longer than they are right now due to space constraints, wouldn't you?

True story: in college, when I took summer school at U-DUB, we had to write a paper on a legal issue that impacts local and federal government. I chose the legalization of marijuana. Cheerfulgreek, I don't want to hurt your delicate sensibilities, but you really have to grow up. POT is not what is killing America. There is actually no statistically significant data (at least there wasn't when I wrote my paper) proving marijuana causes any long-term health problems. Alcohol, tobacco and prescription drugs cause far more damage.

California, Oregon and Washington already legalized marijuana growing and use for medical purposes. The only problems I've ever heard involving it are when the police "bust" a growing operation that they think is illegal but actually turns out to be licensed! I'm not sure why you think increased access to pot would equal increased use - that certainly is not the case for cigarettes! It reminds me of the old argument that giving kids sex ed and condoms promotes promiscuity, which we know is false.

[AGDee]

Everyone I know who wants to use marijuana uses marijuana and this has been true since high school. I honestly don't think use will increase.

[AKA_Monet]

So there was this interesting documentary in 1999 about the "drug wars" and how it was started, basically on a logic fallacy.

While there is no medical relevancy to smoking marijuana (yet), it does have pain relieving effects for people who do suffer chronic diseases who cannot take their narcotics.

Tokkeing up is not the issue here... There are laws in place for DUI, inappropriate selling, like the RICO statues, and illegal transports. Let the other states put their laws in place. And as far as smoking indoors, it can occur in gaming casinos and places that have the huge HEPA filters.

When I was visiting family in SoCal and was at one casino, I was playing this penny slot that was "paying out". Ding dong girl sat next to me and lit a cigarette. Now, while I don't mind folks smoking, doing it right next to me was rude and I was winning on my machine. Why should I leave? Fortunately, her machine took her money and she left. I was fine with that... But within 30's my throat hurt after she lit her butt.

The thing about cancer sticks is the crap that's added to them...

The worst that can happen to your weed is someone or some animal urinates on it...

And in casinos, ALL areas are the smoking section, even in the "non-smoking" section... Just like Paris, France...

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Oh. QED huh?

What's QED?

Originally Posted by Zephyrus

No offense, but your post on this issue suck. Here's why. You're pissed because you don't want to smell it and you think it effects your health, because of that you want to keep it illegal. If that's the case, then make transportation illegal too. Cars and buses effect your health too, because you breathe in the pollution daily.

Zephyrus, if that's how you feel about my posts then that's o.k. I don't take offense to that. o.k. so you smoke pot. Who cares? I couldn't care less. For all I care, do acid, smoke crack, LSD, sniff cocaine, do whatever...I don't care, it's your body. Just do it on YOUR property or in YOUR OWN home. That's all I'm saying.

[DaemonSeid]

Some of you are a lil' too young to remember this:

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[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

What's QED?

Zephyrus, if that's how you feel about my posts then that's o.k. I don't take offense to that. o.k. so you smoke pot. Who cares? I could care less. For all I care, do acid, smoke crack, LSD, sniff cocaine, do whatever...I don't care, it's your body. Just do it on YOUR property or in YOUR OWN home. That's all I'm saying.

CG...the only thing I would like to point out about your last statement is thateverythign else you just mentioned is either addictive or deadly (usually some fo those goes hand in hand), marijuana is not. Thus the big argument about legalizing it especially as someone so abundantly pointed out earlier with govt's slowly enacting laws for teh cessation of smoking of cigarettes.

Yes, there is a certain anger that comes out about people who smoke weed even stereotypes and to a point I feel the same way but eventually the govt is going to have the final say so on what to do about the herb....

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I could care less.

couldn't care less

Carry on, folks.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

CG...the only thing I would like to point out about your last statement is thateverythign else you just mentioned is either addictive or deadly (usually some fo those goes hand in hand), marijuana is not. Thus the big argument about legalizing it especially as someone so abundantly pointed out earlier with govt's slowly enacting laws for teh cessation of smoking of cigarettes.

Yes, there is a certain anger that comes out about people who smoke weed even stereotypes and to a point I feel the same way but eventually the govt is going to have the final say so on what to do about the herb....

Daemon, I see your point, but if the govt. wants to make it legal, that's fine. If people want to get high, then sobeit, just do it at home.