FDA poised to OK food from cloned animals

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by blueangel

This is irrelevent to the conversation. I never stated that aspirin didn't have side effects... I know aspirin does. I was using aspirin as an example to Drole as to pain killers that don't damage the heart. She said all pain killers do. She was incorrect.

Can you not READ?? Aspirin is NOT a pain killer. Therefore, your entire post above =

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Can you not READ?? Aspirin is NOT a pain killer. Therefore, your entire post above =

Tee hee

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Can you not READ?? Aspirin is NOT a pain killer.

Aspirin is indeed a pain killer. How it kills pain is not the question. Drole made the statement that all pain killers are hazardous to the heart. Aspirin is a pain killer because.. it kills pain.

If you need proof, here are some links:
Aspirin is used to relieve mild to moderate pain; reduce fever, redness, and swelling; and to help prevent blood from clotting.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/d...r/a682878.html

Aspirin is used to reduce pain, inflammation, and fever.
http://www.drugs.com/aspirin.html

"Pain killer chart"
http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/medi...comparison.htm

If you would like more sources, I'm happy to quote them for you.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Blood thinner that relieves pain by reducing swelling (i think that's how it works) /= pain killer that causes the brain to numb pain

Regardless, if I say "the majority" of painkillers have heart damaging side effects (particularly in heart patients) instead of all, my point stands.

If you said "Cox 2 inhibitors" can have heart damaging effects.. that would be accurate.

But, I think we are side-tracking. The question is... can we trust the FDA's allegation that cloning is a safe source of food when it has been so wrong in the past?

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by blueangel

If you said "Cox 2 inhibitors" can have heart damaging effects.. that would be accurate.

But, I think we are side-tracking. The question is... can we trust the FDA's allegation that cloning is a safe source of food when it has been so wrong in the past?

Well I don't know...have you been damaged by drinking milk produced with Bovine Growth Hormone? Ever taken premarin?

Also, what would be wrong with the cloned meat exactly? Explain how it would not be safe.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by centaur532

Well I don't know...have you been damaged by drinking milk produced with Bovine Growth Hormone? Ever taken premarin?

Glad you brought that up. Recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone is another debacle of the FDA. Consumers Union, publisher of Consumer Reports has warned about potential hazards of rbGH.

It's also banned in Europe and Canada.


http://www.consumersunion.org/food/98ny699.htm

I try to drink only organic milk because there is much question over the safety of rbGH. And no, I've never taken Premarin. Your point?

[AlexMack]

Originally Posted by blueangel

Glad you brought that up. Recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone is another debacle of the FDA. Consumers Union, publisher of Consumer Reports has warned about potential hazards of rbGH.

It's also banned in Europe and Canada.


http://www.consumersunion.org/food/98ny699.htm

I try to drink only organic milk because there is much question over the safety of rbGH. And no, I've never taken Premarin. Your point?

Your concern seems to be using animals unnaturally to produce products for humans.
rBGH is not unsafe, I have a friend who worked with a dairy herd. It doesn't show up in the milk and it doesn't affect the cow other than to produce more milk.
Premarin is another example of using animals unnaturally for a product. The farms are shut down now, but mares were bred over and over and left without water to collect hormones in their urine which was then put into a drug for HRT. Not natural. FDA approved that though.
It's not exactly unknown that the FDA is cahoots with the meat industry in this country. They're in each other's pockets. My suggestion to you is to start a farm so you know exactly where your food is coming from.

EDIT: just read your link. I see your concern, however, I think the real problem is that the FDA isn't prepared to put more money into researching products. That study was also performed in 1990. If there were any problems with rBGH I believe they would have emerged by now. Do you have any other sources that might indicate that? I'm interested.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by valkyrie

GOOD THING BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST ABOUT TO RUN OUT OF COWS.

Seriously, WTF.

The thread really should have just stopped after this post.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by blueangel

http://www.consumersunion.org/food/98ny699.htm

Once again, .org = biased.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

The thread really should have just stopped after this post.

Yeah, I seem to remember another organic foods thread that turned into a trainwreck, with people going off on tangents. I'm not sure of the exact thread though.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Once again, .org = biased.

Huh?

Maybe in some cases.

Lots of our fraternal websites end in .org.

I worry more about .gov.

Regarding cloned stuff, it may be too early to judge effects or lack thereof. That sometimes takes many years.

If our great, great grandchildren are born with three eyes...

[Drolefille]

The whole FDA issue boils down to numbers. For the vast majority of foods, the FDA does good things. They're very quick to stamp down on actual dangers such as the e. coli outbreaks and they do study potential dangers of hormones, genetic engineering, etc.

They have a very very good average. At least 99% I'd estimate. Issues like genetically modified food and cloning, etc. become little more than scare-mongering and attention-whoring, particularly when there is no evidence that they're dangerous. They just sound scary.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Huh?

Maybe in some cases.

Lots of our fraternal websites end in .org.

I worry more about .gov.

Regarding cloned stuff, it may be too early to judge effects or lack thereof. That sometimes takes many years.

If our great, great grandchildren are born with three eyes...

But that's not something that could happen in response to eating cloned meat. It's not "cloned meat that gives you X-man powers and funky mutations" they're genetic twins.

[valkyrie]

Hey, what do you guys think of Barbaro and his miraculous recovery?!

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

But that's not something that could happen in response to eating cloned meat. It's not "cloned meat that gives you X-man powers and funky mutations" they're genetic twins.

Oh.