Michigan voters ban affirmative action

PiKA2001 · #1 11-13-2006, 07:21 PM

so the other week michigan voters banned affirmative action ( thanks to the high profile university of michigan admissions lawsuits over the past few years) and now the tables have turned with every single university and government office preparing lawsuits to counter the ban which is slated to begin next month. I don't understand the outrage because, according to census estimates, michigan is to become a "minority-majority" state within the next ten years due to the ever growing latino/african-american population. Now in regards to AA helping women, the retired, disabled, vets, etc.. doesnt equal oppertunity laws prohibit discrimination against any and all?

jubilance1922 · #2 11-13-2006, 07:29 PM

There is already a thread on this topic. Please post there.

PiKA2001 · #3 11-13-2006, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jubilance1922

There is already a thread on this topic. Please post there.

You mean the general back and forth banter for/against AA in university admissions? I'm talking past college, in the work-force, in a minor-majority state, is there a place for affirmative action? proponets of AA are saying that whites just shot themselves in the foot banning this, since they are expected to be the minority in michigan within ten or so years. Is AA even designed for that? I feel like the system would collapse before benefiting a white male.

AGDee · #4 11-13-2006, 11:29 PM

I had started a thread about the proposal before the election...

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=81918

DSTCHAOS · #5 11-13-2006, 11:51 PM

Instead of people nitpicking and debating where AA should fit, college or in employment, the bigger discussion is about the state of this country and whether we can challenge the status quo without such measures in place.

If we find that we still need AA (like we still need EEO and social welfare initiatives) somewhere then it doesn't matter where it is implemented. Prejudice and discrimination were never so selective so why are people trying to be?

AKA_Monet · #6 11-14-2006, 03:43 AM

Pike2001--

What are you really trying to say? Do you live in Michigan? And does the elimination of AA directly affect you?

Have you been displaced by any person of color, sex or disability for access and opportunity?

I just cannot get out of my head when I heard Mrs. Betty Shabazz speak. She kept saying "you MUST read the 1965 Civil Rights Act if you say you are for liberation...

PiKA2001 · #7 11-14-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Pike2001--

What are you really trying to say? Do you live in Michigan? And does the elimination of AA directly affect you?

Have you been displaced by any person of color, sex or disability for access and opportunity?

I just cannot get out of my head when I heard Mrs. Betty Shabazz speak. She kept saying "you MUST read the 1965 Civil Rights Act if you say you are for liberation...

Yeah, i'm from Michigan. I didn't vote to ban AA, and as far as I know, it has never affected me. I'm not too in tune with HR or hiring practices, but EEO and AA always confused me in the sense that they somewhat contradicted each other. I wondered if AA was even necessary because we have EEO, which protects individuals of all backgrounds from discriminatory hiring practices.

madmax · #8 11-15-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Pike2001--

What are you really trying to say? Do you live in Michigan? And does the elimination of AA directly affect you?

Have you been displaced by any person of color, sex or disability for access and opportunity?

I just cannot get out of my head when I heard Mrs. Betty Shabazz speak. She kept saying "you MUST read the 1965 Civil Rights Act if you say you are for liberation...

How has AA helped you?

DSTCHAOS · #9 11-14-2006, 10:57 AM

My understanding of PiKA's post is that he doesn't understand the uproar over the Michigan ban because of the racial demographic that Michigan is estimated to have in the coming years. Then he's responding to people who argue that on a societal level AA has benefitted more white women and disabled than racial and ethnic minorities. He's saying that equal employment laws like the EEO (which aren't the same as AA for a reason) that help one group helps all groups. Not necessarily. This society is still very racially and class segregated so it is not uncommon for companies to use EEO laws to open the doors for some people who fit under the law and not others. The status quo is kept.