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Old 09-27-2005, 06:32 PM
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Always? I believe I gave a rare example.

If you would like to return your college education, go ahead though.

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Right, because rich always = smart.

Anyway, James has a point. My understanding of guys (and please guys, correct me if I'm wrong) indicates that if a guy is attracted to a woman and she's reasonably fun and not a pain in the ass, that's what really matters. I can't say I've ever known a guy who gave a crap about stuff like education.

Of course, whether a guy is willing to get into a long-term relationship also depends on timing, but that's a different issue. The potential-relationship woman has to be hot and fun, and then the timing has to be right.

For women, I'm not so sure. On the one hand you have women who are concerned with a man's resume, including education -- maybe because of perceived shared values, intelligence, earning potential, and I'm not sure what else. On the other hand, you have women who are maybe more guy-like in terms of relationships, who want someone who is hot and not a pain in the ass. Obviously, I'm the latter, so I can't explain the former with any accuracy.
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Old 09-27-2005, 06:50 PM
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Rudey--

Which MBA programs can I be snotty about in terms of moneymaking potential? I've been receiving a gentleman caller who's at a top school. I've got to find someone who's Master's degree is more lucrative than mine.

(they may call me a gold digger, 'cause they see i ain't tryin' to hit up a broke -------)
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Old 09-27-2005, 07:06 PM
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Rudey--

Which MBA programs can I be snotty about in terms of moneymaking potential? I've been receiving a gentleman caller who's at a top school. I've got to find someone who's Master's degree is more lucrative than mine.

(they may call me a gold digger, 'cause they see i ain't tryin' to hit up a broke -------)
Thunderbird.edu

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Old 09-27-2005, 07:09 PM
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HOTTT.

Makes HBS look like Jarvis Christian College.
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Old 09-27-2005, 10:23 PM
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Until you define 'intelligence' in a manner that provides for quantification (i.e. "He is more intelligent than she") this is all conjecture - except yours is somewhat circular, and really relies on some assumptions I can't agree with. You also run right into the 'exceptions' fallacy I mentioned, but hey. To pick:

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In my opinion, people who do well in college tend to be successful in the work world as well -- not because they're necessarily more intelligent than non-college graduates, but because the skills needed to do well in college are similar to those needed to do well at a job. If you learn how to work well with deadlines, work well under pressure, work well with authority figures directing you, accomplish tasks you don't necessarily want to do without whining, work to achieve based on internal drive, not external awards -- you're probably going to be relatively successful at work as well.
Does this relate to anything other than money? Because my point was unrelated to money (although by extension you would expect certain outcomes...) - I'm merely positing that it's almost impossible for there not to be correlation between "higher intelligence" and "went to college" for a variety of reasons, including the sheer number of people that went to college to the way that we view 'intelligence' as a measuring stick.

Part of my contention, however, does state that we base our ratings of intelligence on certain skills or etc - so your points may apply there, although against the hypothesis you're expressing.

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This is similar to my thoughts that while IQ scores or standardized tests don't necessarily correlate with pure intelligence, they correlate with the kind of intelligence that is valued in our society and thus predict success fairly well.
"Kind of intelligence" hm? Now, unless you can break intelligences down into discrete items with a certain valuation, then this is speculative at best. At worst, you're essentially ceding to my point, since 'the types of intelligence society values' can probably be shortened to 'intelligence' (since without a quantifiable definition, perception may as well equal reality here, no?).

'Pure' intelligence seems out of place, as well - what is 'intelligence' being mixed with to create impurities, whether these be real or perceived?

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Bottom line: Success in school reflects learned behaviors that can or can't be changed, and that can be learned in or outside of school. Success at standardized testing is mostly genetic/learned early in life, and thus fairly stabilized by the time you hit high school/college. People who have high IQs but don't do well in situations that require deadlines or working well with authority figures, etc., will still be relatively succesful at less conventional jobs.
So intelligence is related to success, no?

Can't income be seen as a tangible measurement of one type of success?

Can't graduation from college be seen as another?

Additionally . . . If we're deciding on a definition of 'intelligence', shouldn't it include the increased ability to learn, process, or integrate knowledge for positive benefit . . . and as such, the 'learned behaviors' you're dismissing would certainly fall within the affinities that should be symptomatic of 'intelligence' (although not a necessary condition, I think you can make a case for sufficient), right?

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Those who aren't particularly naturally intelligent but have learned how to play the game can do decently at conventional jobs but will probably never be CEO. I don't think Bill Gates could have ever started at the bottom and worked his way to the top because he probably never learned those "playing well with others" skills, but he managed to use his intelligence to become successful.
So what you're saying is that those of moderate intelligence will be able to adapt to 'playing the game', but those of above-average intelligence will learn to 'play the game' better (even if it's by playing different)?

AKA they'll be more successful?
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Old 09-30-2005, 02:17 AM
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i dont think it would be a hurtful thing to ask him where he wants his career to go. i'd ask him what his future interests are. maybe he does have aspirations, he just hasnt had an opportunity to talk about them with you because the subject hasn't come up. never hurts to try.
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Old 05-15-2006, 01:18 PM
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Old 05-15-2006, 02:31 PM
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Education level doesn't matter at all. Intelligence does. And you really don't have to be intelligent these days to get a degree...not that that is anything new...for a very long time there have been college students who skated by on either their athletic ability or their family's money.

And better to live with a happy bartender than with a lawyer who hates his job or a doctor who's never at home. This is just such a nonissue to me, but that's probably because I come from a background where people didn't turn up their noses if you had a job where you actually got your hands dirty.

If YOU have a problem with saying "my boyfriend/husband is a bartender" then do him a favor and break up with him, because you'll never be happy and you'll make him miserable as well.
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Old 05-15-2006, 02:47 PM
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I have no problem saying that I did the college thing and my husband grew up in Mexico with 11 brothers and sisters, and got sent out at age 13 to get a full time job to help support the family. My husband is fairly intelligent, but certainly naive about certain things. (He's convinced that if you eat watermelon and drink beer at the same time you will die.) He never had the chance to study biology or chemistry or anything but basic history. Eventually, he wants to go back and take those classes that he missed out on earlier in life. And I'd definitely rather be with someone like that, then someone who dropped out of there own free will and is content to be a goober the rest of their life.
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Old 05-18-2006, 03:13 PM
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I would have a HARD time dating someone without at least a bachelors degree. The only exception I would make would be if they had goals. Not only goals, but a plan for achieving those goals. By a plan, I mean one with objectives and timelines (to which they were already progressing on).

My roomate's boyfriend never even graduated from high school. He is crazy. He is basically going to live off of her for the rest of his life. No goals, no ambitions. All he does is play playstation for eight hours a day. He had a job but lost it because he drank too much.
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Old 05-18-2006, 03:16 PM
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Oh, and for everyone who is 30 or under answering this question, I just want to say, get back to me in a few years.

Things that seem terribly important at 22 often are things that don't make a bit of difference 10 years later.
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Old 05-18-2006, 03:24 PM
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Oh, and for everyone who is 30 or under answering this question, I just want to say, get back to me in a few years.

Things that seem terribly important at 22 often are things that don't make a bit of difference 10 years later.

Yeah, I'm sure. Education is definately important.

33girl, how long have you been married?
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Old 05-18-2006, 03:33 PM
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you are talking to a different 33girl right?
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Old 05-18-2006, 03:38 PM
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Old 05-18-2006, 03:45 PM
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You can't fix stupid........
Last I checked "stupid" and "uneducated" were not synonyms.
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