Dr. Laura Schlessinger

[pirepresent]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
but one cannot ignore the sadistic side of Islam that wants to destroy us all...you included!!!

It has nothing to do with practicing intolerance...and everything to do with having common sense. Why do we insist on being so politically correct that we ignore reality??

This is so frustrating. I obviously will never be able to convince you that the irresponsible actions and words of people like you saying things like that do nothing but perpetuate the negative stereotypes that prevent people from moving forward.

Maybe there is an sadistic side of Islam that wants to destroy us all, me included. There is nothing I can do about those extremists. I also know and work with many kind, wonderful people who practice the Muslim religion, whose lives have been damaged beyond repair due to ignorant statements like "all Muslims are murderers" and "they want to destroy us all".\

This thread is scary. I quit.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by pirepresent
This is so frustrating. I obviously will never be able to convince you that the irresponsible actions and words of people like you saying things like that do nothing but propogate the negative stereotypes that prevent people from moving forward.

Maybe there is an sadistic side of Islam that wants to destroy us all, me included. There is nothing I can do about those extremists. I also know and work with many kind, wonderful people who practice the Muslim religion, whose lives have been damaged beyond repair due to ignorant statements like "all Muslims are murderers" and "they want to destroy us all".\

This thread is scary. I quit.

wow...u were trying to convince me to change my mind...wrong move

i really wish those kind wonderful muslim people would be more outspoken against those that are giving their religion a bad name. its funny that all those media types like louis farrakhan can do is to continually bash america and Bush....why don't they denounce those that are supposedly taking the Quran out of context??

Yea this thread is scary that people are in denial about the enemy that lives next door.

Hey have u seen the movie "the usual suspects" when Keyser says the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist??? Same rationale applies to the Radical Muslims. You forget that the ones that can do us more harm are the ones that live among us... I'm sure everyone thought Mohammad Atta was wonderful and loving too until he rammed some planes into the WTC...

Wow...my own views make me take a step back sometimes. Its hard to be so outspoken and opinionated when its not popular...but somebody's gotta do it

[RACooper]

Originally posted by pirepresent
This is so frustrating. I obviously will never be able to convince you that the irresponsible actions and words of people like you saying things like that do nothing but perpetuate the negative stereotypes that prevent people from moving forward.

Maybe there is an sadistic side of Islam that wants to destroy us all, me included. There is nothing I can do about those extremists. I also know and work with many kind, wonderful people who practice the Muslim religion, whose lives have been damaged beyond repair due to ignorant statements like "all Muslims are murderers" and "they want to destroy us all".\

This thread is scary. I quit.

I have to agree with all of the above.....

Most people have to take a step back and put things in to context. Love_Spell_6 you can claim that 98% of terrorist attacks are by Muslims... but by that arguement I could claim that 98% of the attacks have also been commited by men, should we therefore blame all men. The same arguement could be made for each party in any conflict.... hell by some of the arguements in this thread it is perfectly valid for Iraqis to hate the US... after all 98% of the attacks on them have been by Americans

This is why I have to agree with pirepresent.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by RACooper
I have to agree with all of the above.....

Most people have to take a step back and put things in to context. You can claim that 98% of terrorist attacks are by Muslims... but by that arguement I could claim that 98% of the attacks have also been commited by men, should we therefore blame all men. The same arguement could be made for each party in any conflict.... hell by some of the arguements in this thread it is perfectly valid for Iraqis to hate the US... after all 98% of the attacks on them have been by Americans and how stupid do we think that is?

Yea when there is a Bible for men that teaches you to raise up against the infidels ...yada...yada...yada....and when MEN start being raised at an early age to hate Americans.... YUP...I'm gonna to talk about you too.

Its funny that the only argument people can come up with is well its not ALL of them.. I don't believe anyone ever said that...but that's what ya wanna hear..

And actually most of their attacks have been amongst each other....Get ya facts straight before you try to dispute an argument. The MIddle East has caused for more turmoil by themselves than we could ever do! I don't believe Dubya has gassed them or dragged them in the public square and beat them about the head....all in the name of Allah.

[bethany1982]

Poor Dr. Laura; an educated, white, Jewish woman, with ideas that are often very non-pc. Dangerous! I don't listen to her program, and I'll bet that many of you who have negative views of her don't either. So how do you form your opinion? Why is it wrong for a parent to ask someone for an opinion, regardless of the motive behind the question? What’s wrong with a parent making a parental decision that their child not be exposed to a certain religion or culture? If a parent views a certain religion/culture/ideology as dangerous, their concerns should be acknowledged and addressed by the school/board/district/etc, until the issue is resolved to the parents satisfaction. Speaking out against Islam is simply not pc and that is all that is wrong with it.

[moe.ron]

Funny is that some people throw out statistic. Is there extremism in Islam, of course there is. But guess what, there are extremism out there, not just islam.

Do you know who not only condone, but also justified apartheid using the bible? A sect of the Christianity, namely the Dutch Reform Church. Does that mean the Dutch Reform Church represent all Christianity? No. Al-Qaeda is based on the teaching of Wahabnism. Many posters does not realized that Islam is not pluralistic. There are many branches, just are there are many branches of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism.

louis farrakhan is very poor example of a Muslim because he isn't one. Sure his organizations is called the Nation of Islam, but he believed that there is another prophet after Muhammad, which is a direct contradiction of Islam.

My problem is not that people critized radical Islam, but the way people put it, it seems that people have generalized islam. And, as my professor always said, generalization is the first step toward stupidity.

[valkyrie]

I'm too lazy to read this whole thread, but if I saw "Dr." Laura on the street, I'd trip her at least. The same goes for Ann Coulter.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by bethany1982
...... Speaking out against Islam is simply not pc and that is all that is wrong with it.

YOu said a mouthful!

[bethany1982]

Originally posted by moe.ron
And, as my professor always said, generalization is the first step toward stupidity.

Generally speaking?

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by bethany1982
What’s wrong with a parent making a parental decision that their child not be exposed to a certain religion or culture? If a parent views a certain religion/culture/ideology as dangerous, their concerns should be acknowledged and addressed by the school/board/district/etc, until the issue is resolved to the parents satisfaction. Speaking out against Islam is simply not pc and that is all that is wrong with it.

Okay, so I went back and read some.

I think that the only way for us to stop living in a society of fear is to become educated. Maybe if more parents and their children learn about other religions and how their followers are treated in our society, we'd have less fear and less stereotyping and maybe could move on to have productive discussions that might lead to some kind of understanding. I do think it's a problem for a parent to raise a child so that child is isolated and sheltered from other religions. If a parent views a certain religion/culture/ideology as dangerous, I think that parent should be educated so that she can understand the real belief system of that religion, rather than acting all pissed off at the school for trying to provide an education. Maybe this parent should have sent the kid to a school that only teaches the exact same stuff the parent believes, so that the kid can grow up to be just as closed minded.

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by bethany1982
Generally speaking?

Yes. When one generalized, then one has begun the process of having a narrow view of the world. One see the world as black and white, good versus evil. That particular person then will ignore history or other factor because one clutch on that one version of the world. In the end, one can not accept alternative version of politics of history. Thus, one has begun the step of stupidity.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by moe.ron
Yes. When one generalized, then one has begun the process of having a narrow view of the world. One see the world as black and white, good versus evil. That particular person then will ignore history or other factor because one clutch on that one version of the world. In the end, one can not accept alternative version of politics of history. Thus, one has begun the step of stupidity.

but if you're "generally speaking" isnt that the first step to stupidity....according to the ol Prof himself??

[bethany1982]

Originally posted by valkyrie
Okay, so I went back and read some.

I think that the only way for us to stop living in a society of fear is to become educated. Maybe if more parents and their children learn about other religions and how their followers are treated in our society, we'd have less fear and less stereotyping and maybe could move on to have productive discussions that might lead to some kind of understanding. I do think it's a problem for a parent to raise a child so that child is isolated and sheltered from other religions. If a parent views a certain religion/culture/ideology as dangerous, I think that parent should be educated so that she can understand the real belief system of that religion, rather than acting all pissed off at the school for trying to provide an education. Maybe this parent should have sent the kid to a school that only teaches the exact same stuff the parent believes, so that the kid can grow up to be just as closed minded.

Closed-minded = uneducated... lol! Protecting a child from an ideology is not necessarily closed-minded. I don't want my children (if I have ever have any) exposed to the teachings of the KKK or Adolph Hitler (the list goes on) at a young age. Of course, those are pc in most circles. At least they are today. You can let your children be exposed to every idea the world has to offer as a sign of your wonderful, open minded, highly educated worldview. That's your right. I'll use parental discretion and protect mine from certain things.

[moe.ron]

yes, which is why I laugh when he said it. But I get what he is saying. Open your mind and interact with different people is what I think he wanted to say. And in that premise, I agree with him. I enjoy meeting different people. From your extreme left wing wacko who wanted to over throw the governments for anarchy, to your right wing wacko who wanted to overthrow the south african government and bring back the apartheid government. They all something in common, they have no interaction with opposing views.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
Yea when there is a Bible for men that teaches you to raise up against the infidels ...yada...yada...yada....and when MEN start being raised at an early age to hate Americans.... YUP...I'm gonna to talk about you too.

Its funny that the only argument people can come up with is well its not ALL of them.. I don't believe anyone ever said that...but that's what ya wanna hear..

And actually most of their attacks have been amongst each other....Get ya facts straight before you try to dispute an argument. The MIddle East has caused for more turmoil by themselves than we could ever do! I don't believe Dubya has gassed them or dragged them in the public square and beat them about the head....all in the name of Allah.

Okay:

1- the Quran does not state anywhere to rise up and attack the infidel. It urges you to not force your beliefs on others through force; but by thought, word, and deed. Unless the infidel is attacking you, you do not seek to do violence unto them (basiclly do not start it but end it). It is the mullahs that preach hate, that have brought that element into the Muslim religion.... just as there are Christian fundamentalists that preach hatred and intolerance, yet we do not refer to Chrisitanity as a religion of hatred do we?

2- Well we are trying to prevent Americans (and Canadians) from being taught to hate (anyone) from an early age; and people like Laua Schlessinger don't help. Here statements actually encourage an enviroment of intolerance that you lament "Muslims" having.

3. Now saying that the Middle East has casued more turmoil by themsleves is demonstrating a poor grasp of both history and politics. You are forgetting a minor little historical thing called the crusades (were Christians commited acts comparable to if not worse than the acts commited by todays terrorists), which was in the name of God; the Cold War, were the various countires of the Middle East were used as pawns by the US and USSR. It had been external pressures that have resulted in the most turmoil in the Middle East, and the resulting hatred left over that has spawned the cells of hatred through out the region.

4. No Dubya didn't drag them out into a square to be shot, nor did he gas them. But his predecisors in office supported the Hussein regime, and supplied him with arms, money, and the chemicals that he eventually turned on the Kurds.... all in support of the Cold War which I mentioned earlier. Speaking of the Cold War, where do you think Al Queda got it's start? where do you think Bin Laden got his training? Fighting the USSR in Afghanistan with support from the US.