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03-11-2014, 02:20 PM
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I believe that PNMs interested in the "prestige" of a certain chapter would also be looking at how prestigious the fraternities the chapter mixes with are. For that type of PNM it is not about whether the chapter has a full social calendar, but which fraternities fill the calendar.
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03-11-2014, 03:03 PM
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03-11-2014, 11:11 PM
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Well, IMO, no effort needs to be spent making those girls happy. They can be superior and in the best chapters or alone in their bitchiness. There are more than enough nice girls who want the more positive elements of sorority life. And those girls will more carefully consider their decision about whether they choose a house or no house in their future sorority. But hey, there are options across the spectrum at IU.
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03-12-2014, 02:42 AM
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I hope all chapters who are not at IU choose to NOT present or accept invitations for expansion.
The "row" needs to be PANHELLENIC and get rid of "bed recruitment" for the good of all Greek Life at Indiana University.
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03-12-2014, 03:19 AM
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Well, IMO, no effort needs to be spent making those girls happy. They can be superior and in the best chapters or alone in their bitchiness. There are more than enough nice girls who want the more positive elements of sorority life. And those girls will more carefully consider their decision about whether they choose a house or no house in their future sorority. But hey, there are options across the spectrum at IU.
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That's unfair. It's also something that from the way I understand it, GUYS at IU have been dealing with for years (i.e. desirability of chapter dependent on location and existence of house). Like I said, it's one thing to pooh-pooh that sort of thing at a school with a system so small that a sorority can mix with every group on campus in a semester. It's quite another at a school with 40+ fraternities. Calling girls who want to make the most of all aspects of their sorority membership including their social calendar, bitches, doesn't help fix the situation.
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03-12-2014, 07:02 PM
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I hope all chapters who are not at IU choose to NOT present or accept invitations for expansion.
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I hope not, I'd really really really like to have my chapter back.
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03-13-2014, 10:41 PM
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03-13-2014, 11:07 PM
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I hope all chapters who are not at IU choose to NOT present or accept invitations for expansion.
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I believe it was LaneSig who indicated that AST presented along with Delta Phi Epsilon. I won't pretend to know the inner workings of our expansion team, but I suspect that we probably wouldn't have presented if our headquarters was still in Alabama. Most of our chapters are at smaller schools with smaller Greek systems. Moving HQ to Indianapolis probably had a big influence in the decision. Just a hunch.
I'm curious to see if we'll present again.
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I believe it was LaneSig who indicated that AST presented along with Delta Phi Epsilon. I won't pretend to know the inner workings of our expansion team, but I suspect that we probably wouldn't have presented if our headquarters was still in Alabama. Most of our chapters are at smaller schools with smaller Greek systems. Moving HQ to Indianapolis probably had a big influence in the decision. Just a hunch.
I'm curious to see if we'll present again.
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At the alumnae panhel meeting, the reps were told that AST submitted the interest packet but was unable to find a time to present before IU students left for the summer. So I would assume, AST might still be interested.
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03-13-2014, 11:18 PM
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I agree with this statement. I believe that there is a small percentage of women who would rather not live in a large chapter house, because I was one of those women back in my day.
Today's PNMs have grown up more affluently that many of us in our day. By this I mean, when I grew up many of my girl friends in high school shared a bedroom with a sibling and shared a bathroom with either all of their siblings or the entire family. Very few of my friends had televisions in their bedrooms, I was the only one. We had no personal computers, cell phones, netflix, etc.
I teach in a high school and only a small handful of my students share a bedroom with a sibling. In one case, the girls share because they are twins and like it. There is another bedroom available, they would just rather share. My seniors have mentioned being in a sorority quite often lately because they are filling out housing forms for their respective schools. I always let them know what the living situations are at their schools. Most of the girls do not mind the inconvenience of sharing a room, having no closet space, and using a communal bathroom. They know it is for a few years at most. BUT there are always one or two who do not want to live that way. They want their own space, or like to cook. So even with all of the modern conveniences PNMs have today, most of them can handle living in a Greek house for a couple of years.
At IU, I think one issue of living in might be for girls who pledge as sophomores and have lived in an apartment for a year. They might not want to move back into that situation after living out for a year. There are also girls who are on special diets: diabetic, gluten free, paleo, food allergies. This is also hard to do in a sorority house. You might think this is a small number of women, but you would be surprised how many people are on special diets. Choosing a restaurant for a field trip can be an ordeal....but that's another topic.
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I know next to nothing about Indiana's greek system, besides the small amount of information I've read on this site, but I'll weigh on on why some people may not want to live in. Some people just have different personalities. For me personally, I'm more introverted. I had a roommate in the dorms freshman year and currently live in the house as a sophomore. While I am so glad I had the opportunity to live in, I'm excited to have my own space next year. I'm the type of person who really values my alone time, and while I love spending time with my friends and sisters, I like to have my own room where I can unwind by myself without having a roommate or roommates. Plus, since we all have different class schedules, it'll be nice to sleep in without hearing alarms go off at different times, get ready without having to be quiet because someone is sleeping, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love my roommates, and I've been very lucky to not have any negative experiences with roommates. I just like my own space. I know a lot of girls who feel this way, especially after sharing a room freshman and sophomore year with one or more girls. I couldn't imagine having to share a room for three or four years. But then again, that's just my introverted personality coming into play.
However, I know that if I didn't get the chance to live in, I would have been upset as I really wanted to live in the house at some point. It's just that one year of living in has been a good amount of time for me and I'm ready for my own space.
In my sorority, I actually know a lot of girls who chose to move in second semester freshman year instead of the usual sophomore year, because our chef was able to more easily accommodate their special diets (gluten free, etc) better than the campus dining halls that those in the dorms eat at. I think that a lot of progress is being made in terms of accommodating people who have special dietary needs.
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03-14-2014, 08:51 AM
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From my experience on Corp Board, there are LOTS of women who don't want to live in. They think of every reason in the world to get out of it. But that doesn't mean they are ok with the chapter not having a house. They want the best of both worlds - a gorgeous mansion to hang out in, but their own bedroom/bathroom and alcohol/boy privileges.
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03-14-2014, 09:16 AM
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From my experience on Corp Board, there are LOTS of women who don't want to live in. They think of every reason in the world to get out of it. But that doesn't mean they are ok with the chapter not having a house. They want the best of both worlds - a gorgeous mansion to hang out in, but their own bedroom/bathroom and alcohol/boy privileges.
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03-15-2014, 12:13 PM
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From my experience on Corp Board, there are LOTS of women who don't want to live in. They think of every reason in the world to get out of it. But that doesn't mean they are ok with the chapter not having a house. They want the best of both worlds - a gorgeous mansion to hang out in, but their own bedroom/bathroom and alcohol/boy privileges.
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You are so right. Exactly my experience in currently serving on a Corp Board. !!!!
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03-15-2014, 12:14 PM
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I hope not, I'd really really really like to have my chapter back. 
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You better get it back. This is the year!
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03-15-2014, 01:08 PM
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From my experience on Corp Board, there are LOTS of women who don't want to live in. They think of every reason in the world to get out of it. But that doesn't mean they are ok with the chapter not having a house. They want the best of both worlds - a gorgeous mansion to hang out in, but their own bedroom/bathroom and alcohol/boy privileges.
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Preach it!
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