Obama's Birth Certificate Released

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Some lineage societies do as well.

...I was about to say. I know that they accept Bible records, but not Certificates of Live Birth?

[IrishLake]

I'm a Repub, and I'll eat my damn hat if Donald or Newt becomes the Presidential Nominee. I'll write myself in.

[ASUADPi]

Maybe someone can clarify for me....

I watched an interview with Donald and George (Stephanapolous) and Donald was going on and on and on about Obama's birth certificate not being "real" because it said "certificate of live birth".

I have my birth certificate and that's what it says "certificate of live birth".

So I'm not understanding what the big damn deal was. Why was Donald (and probably others) claiming that his (Obama's) birth certificate "not real".

I'm asking because I truly don't understand what the big deal was.

Too me it is people who are anti-Obama raising a fuss trying to get him out of office by claiming he isn't a "natural born U.S. citizen".

[Always AlphaGam]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

Maybe someone can clarify for me....

I watched an interview with Donald and George (Stephanapolous) and Donald was going on and on and on about Obama's birth certificate not being "real" because it said "certificate of live birth".

I have my birth certificate and that's what it says "certificate of live birth".

So I'm not understanding what the big damn deal was. Why was Donald (and probably others) claiming that his (Obama's) birth certificate "not real".

I'm asking because I truly don't understand what the big deal was.

Too me it is people who are anti-Obama raising a fuss trying to get him out of office by claiming he isn't a "natural born U.S. citizen".

See here: http://www.esquire.com/the-side/feat...ficate-5649302

The one issued today is an image of the original record. The other one issued previously is computer generated with the general facts of the birth, sans the fancy signatures. Usually the latter, if it contains the embossed seal of the Department of Health, is enough to prove one's citizenship and birth info (getting a passport, getting a driver's license, etc.).

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by Always AlphaGam

See here: http://www.esquire.com/the-side/feat...ficate-5649302

The one issued today is an image of the original record. The other one issued previously is computer generated with the general facts of the birth, sans the fancy signatures. Usually the latter, if it contains the embossed seal of the Department of Health, is enough to prove one's citizenship and birth info (getting a passport, getting a driver's license, etc.).

Thanks

[agzg]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

So I'm not understanding what the big damn deal was. Why was Donald (and probably others) claiming that his (Obama's) birth certificate "not real".

I'm asking because I truly don't understand what the big deal was.

Too me it is people who are anti-Obama raising a fuss trying to get him out of office by claiming he isn't a "natural born U.S. citizen".

That and they're racist.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by agzg

That and they're racist.

BEAT ME TO IT.

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by honeychile

My own issue with the President's birth certificate was that the one he had originally released would not have been valid for most lineage societies. I haven't yet seen it, so I won't comment further on it.

At the time I posted anything, I had not been able to read the long form. What has interested me in the whole birther movement all along was that, in years of doing genealogical work, I had never heard of such a hard time in getting a long form - if you ask for the long form. Pennsylvania is one of those states - no long form, not acceptable. And, I have done genealogical work involving Hawaii, as one of my mother's younger cousins was born there.

Originally Posted by BluPhire

What Obama produced originally is what the State Hawaii allowed to be released.

See above.

Originally Posted by honeychile

I was just stating my own interest in the matter. Also, I have seen Hawaiian birth certificates that were long form - this is not of the magnatude to which it's reached.

What I was saying, from my genealogical experience, was that it doesn't take an act of congress or major league begging to get the long form.

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Not true for DAR and UDC. What other lineage societies are you referring to?

Very intrigued by where you got this information, as I've taken the training for both. Granted, the DAR is usually considered the strictest, but when it comes to generations from oh, 1900 and up, birth certificates must include the information stated on the long form because it's considered readily available. I'm a volunteer genealogist for the DAR, so I realize that, the further back you go, the more that a preponderence of information must do, since records weren't kept well. This is especially clear when needing the 1890 census.

Originally Posted by BluPhire

Understood in your own interest, but when your own interest shape your opinion, that's how Tea Parties are started. Just like what PreciousJeni wrote Certificate of Live Birth is not proof according to her far right.

Heck some states recognize the Family bible.

Yes, Family Bibles are considered as proofs - WHEN they are contemporary with the information. You can't go out and buy an old Bible, list your family's information, and expect it to be accepted.

I'm hoping to not answer any further questions, as I have said that I had an issue of genealogical interest, not political. No, I'm not a big fan of the President, but it has nothing to do with his race.

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by honeychile

What I was saying, from my genealogical experience, was that it doesn't take an act of congress or major league begging to get the long form.

I don't recall the President stating it required "major league begging", but that a request needed to be made. Long story short, he shouldn't have had to make the request for the long form.

I don't recall what Clinton or Bush produced, but there was definitely not this much of a hubub over their birth certificates, long or short form, certificate of live birth, or anything else.

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Yes, Family Bibles are considered as proofs - WHEN they are contemporary with the information. You can't go out and buy an old Bible, list your family's information, and expect it to be accepted.

I'm hoping to not answer any further questions, as I have said that I had an issue of genealogical interest, not political. No, I'm not a big fan of the President, but it has nothing to do with his race.

Yes I know that it has to be contemporary, but still the principle is "It's the Family Bible, not a birth certificate."

Anyway moving on, I'm not questioning your reasoning they are your own. Yet I do question when people use their own criteria for burden of proof as being superior than the laws and statutes of the US Government and the rights of its states. If Hawaii only wanted to release that form as proof and no other state had an issue, but just a bunch of fringe people then it works for me.

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Fantastic.

I bet you have a hard time remembering to breathe.


Which sock puppet corresponds to "I know, bitch"?

You tell me I'm just waiting.

[Honeykiss1974]

So now Donald wants to see his college transcripts??

I know this isn't "PC" and proper but at some point, I'd have to tell him to KMA (hence why I do not work in politics).

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by Honeykiss1974

So now Donald wants to see his college transcripts??

I know this isn't "PC" and proper but at some point, I'd have to tell him to KMA (hence why I do not work in politics).

LOL. Candidate HK1974 "Yes We Can.....Because I Keeps it Real in 2012"

I've seen speculation that the President released his birth certificate now to prop up Donald Trump, to make him look even more "effective" among his Tea Partier movement.

[Drolefille]

It's pretty much as settled as it will be without a court case. Congress stated he was a natural born citizen, he meets the criteria in multiple ways, he could even have had natural born citizenship retroactively granted by the laws granting children in Panema specifically citizenship.

But I don't think it's obvious that anyone born now outside of the borders would be immediate ineligible even with only one American parent under current laws.

[SOM]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

It's pretty much as settled as it will be without a court case. Congress stated he was a natural born citizen, he meets the criteria in multiple ways, he could even have had natural born citizenship retroactively granted by the laws granting children in Panema specifically citizenship.

But I don't think it's obvious that anyone born now outside of the borders would be immediate ineligible even with only one American parent under current laws.

Drolefille: I agree with you up to a point. Sen. McMain's matter is settled-he is a citizen and he did not win the election. If he had, we might have President Palin right now.
Congress passed a non-binding agreement, not a bill.
Anything else involving his background will have to wait until someone else with simular situation runs for President.

Humm--One just about has to start to wonder if Palin knew about this at the time and....VBEG

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by SOM

Drolefille: I agree with you up to a point. Sen. McMain's matter is settled-he is a citizen and he did not win the election. If he had, we might have President Palin right now.
Congress passed a non-binding agreement, not a bill.
Anything else involving his background will have to wait until someone else with simular situation runs for President.

Humm--One just about has to start to wonder if Palin knew about this at the time and....VBEG

Did McCain die or something?