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Old 10-26-2010, 01:50 PM
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Definitions of bigot on the Web and in my dictionary:
  • a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own
    wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
  • A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigot
  • one intolerantly devoted to his or her own prejudices or opinions Merriam-Webster Dictionary
I don't see intolerance in either William's comments or Jackson's.
But you do see that "one's feelings" (and expressed opinions) are what this dictionary definition (read: surface-level understanding of concepts) requires.

You happen to not think Williams' opinions were bigoted and others beg to differ. He was fired from NPR and given a 2mil gig with Fox News nonetheless.
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Old 10-26-2010, 02:28 PM
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Don't believe so.
You don't believe that bigoted feelings make a person a bigot? Or that Williams is a bigot? It seems insanely difficult for you to argue against the first (which was my point).

As for the second, you can at least make a sound argument. Let's try just the first definition, purely for academic purposes:

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Definitions of bigot on the Web and in my dictionary:
  • a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own
Prejudice is plain - he has a preconception of what a "self-identifying" Muslim person would wear, and what that would mean. The only argument is over the term "intolerant" but you can clear that barrier easily if you use only denotation (which you're attempting to do to jigger the conversation in your favor). Here's how:

It is also clear that Williams believes his prejudgment is the correct one to make, as he clearly states over and over that he agrees with O'Reilly and implies (if he doesn't directly state) that this is a natural and normal consequence of past terror acts. That view will clearly not tolerate other, dissenting views - if one is correct, opposition views are incorrect.

You can continue to miss the forest for the trees, but "feelings" can be bigoted. You don't get a free pass for "feelings" just like you don't for opinions, thoughts, or random exhortations. None of this was under duress, none of this is taken out of context - bigoted feelings make you bigoted. It's nearly tautological, it's so plain.
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Old 10-26-2010, 01:23 PM
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Shepard Smith of Fox News was on The View this morning. He brilliantly highlighted the distinction between personal opinion and journalism. He said "I don't get to have personal opinions. I'm a journalist."

They kept trying to get him to personally weigh in on everything but he cleverly did not do so. He is close to Juan Williams and works with him through Fox News and I feel his The View stance is a lesson to Williams and others who don't know what "First Amendment" and "political correctness" mean.
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Old 10-26-2010, 03:18 PM
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Shepard Smith of Fox News was on The View this morning. He brilliantly highlighted the distinction between personal opinion and journalism. He said "I don't get to have personal opinions. I'm a journalist."

They kept trying to get him to personally weigh in on everything but he cleverly did not do so. He is close to Juan Williams and works with him through Fox News and I feel his The View stance is a lesson to Williams and others who don't know what "First Amendment" and "political correctness" mean.
I really like and respect Shepard Smith. This is just one more feather in his cap.
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Old 10-26-2010, 03:23 PM
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I really like and respect Shepard Smith. This is just one more feather in his cap.

I also like Shepard Smith.

As funnily in your face as Joy Behar tends to be, Smith was so unmoved that they couldn't get him to talk trash about anyone or anything.
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Old 10-26-2010, 03:27 PM
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I also like Shepard Smith.

As funnily in your face as Joy Behar tends to be, Smith was so unmoved that they couldn't get him to talk trash about anyone or anything.
Funny how that journalistic integrity works out for him. It's like... like his point was made without him ever even needing to say it.
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:46 PM
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You used Onanism.

You're my hero.
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:31 PM
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You used masturbatory.

You're my hero.
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:45 PM
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You used Onanism.

You're my hero.
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You used masturbatory.

You're my hero.
Those are pretty good back-to-back - I got a giggle out of it.
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Old 10-26-2010, 11:04 PM
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Non sequitur?

Stuff?
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Old 10-27-2010, 09:16 AM
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But instead of being polemic, attempting to make some global observation about race relations is just silly onanism masquerading as discourse - it's short-sighted, borderline masturbatory, and 100% non sequitur.
Match: KSig RC.
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