NYC community board OKs ground zero mosque plans

[Kevin]

I don't really understand what the big deal is. So some anti-Muslim bigots get ticked because they think Islam=terrorism. They'll be around for awhile, not worth getting worked up over. I don't see how NYC really had a choice in this matter.

[PiKA2001]

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...w=1211&bih=678

[Munchkin03]

Good on the LPC. Other than a handful of buildings, the neighborhood is not "architecturally or historically significant," which is a huge part in what makes a building worth landmarking.

[MasTNX]

Every time I hear this story, I want to say --- They are not the same people.

It is so bigoted and prejudicial to think that because some bad people CLAIM to be of a certain religion, then all people of that religion aren't to be trusted.

What does a mosque, church, temple have to do with the World Trade Center? NOTHING.
They have nothing to do with each other. Only in the minds of people who like to stereotype and generalize would a building 2 blocks away have anything to do with the victims of 9/11.

I am glad to see that America is moving forward and lawmakers in New York are not that biased.

[DaemonSeid]

[AEPhiSierra]

i am very familiar with the area by the trade center having gone to high school over there. the community center would be on one of the less busy side streets because there aren't any popular stores on it. it's mostly side and freight entrances to buildings whose entrances are on its the cross streets. it use to be the home to a burlington coat factory which was one of the many businesses that shut down after 9/11. the building has been sitting there unused in crappy condition for years (i don't recall it being particularly nice when it was in use actually,) it by no means is in a location that would be obtrusive to people visiting the memorial. unless it is covered in neon lights it will be very easy to miss.

it kind of worries me how easy it for some people to speak against this mosque. between this and all the bias crimes that have been happening in staten island its sad that people can live in new york city and still be so xenophobic. for all these people in nyc calling themselves "real americans" chances are if they live in any part of nyc their grandparents or great grandparents weren't born here.

[MasTNX]

Great example Soror!

No one thinks all White Christians are Klansmen.

And even if White Christian Southerners are stereotyped as being racist, look at how specific the grouping had to get??
If they were protesting against immigrant Muslims from Saudia Arabia and Pakistan, it would still be wrong, but at least it would show that people understood the issue.

[DrPhil]

I agree with Newt Gingrich and Bill O'Reilly that this was a political move to make a point that will be interpreted in different ways. Not wanting a mosque at Ground Zero isn't about stereotyping or hating Muslims. It's a question of why does it have to be THERE? Why there?

I also agree with Gingrich that perhaps an interfaith facility could be built at Ground Zero that contains a mosque, synagogue, and church so that Muslims, Jews, and Christians can show unity in their worship.

[PiKA2001]

Who the hell cares? Is there some sort of beat a dead horse week going on here?

If NYC doesn't have a problem with it, it should go up. AFAIK it's not even really at ground zero, but a few block away from it. I understand why some may think it's in poor taste to put it there, but it is what it is.

I wish they didn't have to tear down that 160 year old building though.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Who the hell cares? Is there some sort of beat a dead horse week going on here?

If NYC doesn't have a problem with it, it should go up. AFAIK it's not even really at ground zero, but a few block away from it. I understand why some may think it's in poor taste to put it there, but it is what it is.

I wish they didn't have to tear down that 160 year old building though.

It's a Burlington Coat Factory. I'm not sure what else you could do there at this point.

Unrelated, but pretty much anywhere but the US would laugh at 160 years being historic. Except maybe the Aussies.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I also agree with Gingrich that perhaps an interfaith facility could be built at Ground Zero that contains a mosque, synagogue, and church so that Muslims, Jews, and Christians can show unity in their worship.

I don't think there should be any cooperative place of worship between only three faiths (all of which are so closely related).

I don't think there should be any coordinated effort to tie religion to 9/11 at all, especially since so many people (and I'm sure many people that died in the attacks) aren't religious at all.

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

I didn't know there was an "official" Islamic Religion. I guess that means that there must also be "official" Christian/Jewish/Hindu/Buddhist religions.

Who are these "official" Muslims and how do we get them to stop the terrorists who commit heinous crimes in their religions name? These terrorists were coerced by their leaders to kill infidels and specifically Americans in the name of Islam. There are too many "Harvey Milktoasts" out there that want to just get along instead of calling BS on "official" Islam.

We had 8 terrorists arrested in NC who were plotting attacks. This happened in Johnston County, NC about a half an hour from where I live. Nobody from "official" Islam has condemned these terrorists. They defend them instead.

Maybe they should take the money needed to build a 13 story Mosque/building and plaster adds all over National TV condemning all terrorists and encouraging other Muslims to turn them in before they can wreak more havoc on innocent people. Maybe a large portion of the funds needed to build the Mosque could be used to educate their own followers about "true" Islamic beliefs. Whatever they may be.

It may be true that most Muslims are not terrorists but it is true that most terrorists attacking Americans are Muslims.

This post reminds me of CG2's rants about the Manson Family.

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Bull Shit. Most are planned by or carried out in the name of Islam.

Wrong. If I have time when I leave work I'll pull up my database (not really MINE, but I worked on it).

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

USS Cole
Empire State Building Shooter
LA Airport bomber
Embassy Bombings
World Trade Center 1
9/11
El Al gunman in LA
UNC attack by auto
Multiple airlines attack
San Francisco attack by car
Illinois Shopping Mall attack
Shoe bomber
Fort Hood
NYC bombers
NC 8
Detroit plane bombing attempt
Chicago terrorists

Not to mention the numerous attacks in Europe, Russia and around the world.

You forgot Khobar Towers

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

If NYC doesn't have a problem with it, it should go up. AFAIK it's not even really at ground zero, but a few block away from it. I understand why some may think it's in poor taste to put it there, but it is what it is.

I tend to agree. I don't really think this should be an issue at all, and JCCs, YMCA's, and this type of community centers (even tied to faith) tend to do a lot of good in communities.

[DrPhil]

Most of the international (not domestic) terrorist plots and acts against the U.S. that have received media and public attention in the past 20 or so years have been Muslim (self-proclaimed and otherwise) terrorists. I assume that's what Ghostwriter really meant but I could be wrong.

Most Muslims (self-proclaimed and otherwise) are not terrorists and were not involved in orchestrating the terrorist acts against the U.S.

I think Ghostwriter knows this and didn't think she needed to spell it out.

On that note, all apples are fruits but not all fruits are apples. Party over here.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Most Muslims (self-proclaimed and otherwise) are not terrorists and were not involved in orchestrating the terrorist acts against the U.S.

I think Ghostwriter knows this and didn't think she needed to spell it out.

What has been interesting to me is Ghostwriter's blanket use of the terms "Muslim" and "Islam" until the post about the business partner when this came out:

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

radical elements of Islam

I appreciated this distinction, because one of the major issues with the Islamic Center is that for many people Islam = Terrorist when it is really Radicals = Terrorists, in this case.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Most of the international (not domestic) terrorist plots and acts against the U.S. that have received media and public attention in the past 20 or so years have been Muslim (self-proclaimed and otherwise) terrorists.

Indeed.

[Psi U MC Vito]

So apparently Obama did what he does best and got involved in a issue he should have left alone. Now both the GOP and Democrats hate him.

[DrPhil]

This is not in the realm of the Federal government, correct? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I've tried to keep up with this but I care less everyday.

Obama doesn't know when and how to be quiet but it's not completely his fault. Someone who was always touted as a charismatic speaker (not leader, just speaker) has every right to run his mouth. All he has to do is invite everyone to the White House for beer.

(With all due respect, Mr. President. )