Dynamics of Greek Life on campus

[Kansas City]

I don't think that it has anything to do with ignorance, recruitment/intake process, or how the organizations operate.

I think it is easier for organizations of a similar size to associate with each other regardless of affiliation. You mention in another thread about your chapter having 4 members I believe? When you are dealing with five different PHA/NPC sororities on the MSU campus of 50-100 girls each, it can lead to quite a discrepancy and (unfortunately) it is easy for your members to become "lost in the crowd" so to speak. I don't think that the other organizations want to purposely exclude your group (nor does your group intend to exclude other organizations) but it just doesn't seem to work well, logistically speaking.

[Tom Earp]

Yes for some of the snobs on G C, there are a lot of schools not mentioned!

One that many forget is Culver-Stockton in N E Mo. Mo. Southern is also another. These are some in the MIAA, but, there are many others that were not included.

They may not be as big as some in the South or say Pen, Cal,, N Y or some other states, you will find the Greek Community still strong in Mo.

Some other schools include William-Jewell, William Woods, Drury Un.
Mo. Valley, UMKC, Rockhurst Un. to name a few.

SWMo was just tha until a big legislative battle to make it MSU!

It was much easier for UM. Rolla to go to UM S & T! That one made sense!

Well actually so did SWMo to Mo S Un!

But Springrield Mo is the third largest City in Mo.

I think they have @ 4-7 Colleges there!

Many do not have GLOs there as they are religious affiliated. Non GLO allowed!

And lest we from the Western Side of the State there are a lot of Collges in St. Louis the Eaatern side of Mo.

[AOII_LB93]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Yes for some of the snobs on G C, there are a lot of schools not mentioned!

One that many forget is Culver-Stockton in N E Mo. Mo. Southern is also another. These are some in the MIAA, but, there are many others that were not included.

They may not be as big as some in the South or say Pen, Cal,, N Y or some other states, you will find the Greek Community still strong in Mo.

Some other schools include William-Jewell, William Woods, Drury Un.
Mo. Valley, UMKC, Rockhurst Un. to name a few.

SWMo was just tha until a big legislative battle to make it MSU!

It was much easier for UM. Rolla to go to UM S & T! That one made sense!

Well actually so did SWMo to Mo S Un!

But Springrield Mo is the third largest City in Mo.

I think they have @ 4-7 Colleges there!

Many do not have GLOs there as they are religious affiliated. Non GLO allowed!

And lest we from the Western Side of the State there are a lot of Collges in St. Louis the Eaatern side of Mo.

WTF are you talking about? Who was being snobby? Holy cow man...back away from the keyboard.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by AOII_LB93

WTF are you talking about? Who was being snobby? Holy cow man...back away from the keyboard.

If you kept up with the thread, there were many from Mo. who were posting and I just tried to fill in some of the blanks!


Now, if you will remove your head out of a part of my body maybe it can move on!

Have you ever had your self to this part of the country? Do you know anything about of this part of the country?

Why don't you get off of your rear and check Schools sites as I do or even fellow GLOs?


You must not get out much do you?

Why don't you come to Ks, Mo, Ne, Ok and see what is going on!

Oh, FYI, you never have been on Site enough to see the rivalry?

[pbear19]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Yes for some of the snobs on G C, there are a lot of schools not mentioned!

Tom. As politely as I am able, I would like to point out that Kansas City and I (and others) were making a tounge-in-cheek commentary to illustrate that the OP's use of 'southwestern region' wasn't the best terminology. Given that the original intent of this thread had absolutely nothing to do with Missouri schools, none of us found it necessary to list every single college or university in MO with a greek system. That would be silly, not snobbish.

If you are intersted in discussing the multitude of greek systems in this fine state, you might consider starting a thread entitled 'Missouri Greeks', rather than listing the schools ad nauseum in a thread called 'Dynamics of Greek Life on campus'.

Coquiporvida - you have my apologies for the huge hijack. One thought - are the NPHC groups on your campus large? SGRho at Truman had I think 4 members when I was undergrad, but they had an uncanny knack for making their presence known, and for interacting with other GLOs. I will always have a ton of respect for that organization because of how those ladies presented themselves. If you have a similar group at MSU, it might be a good group to reach out to for ideas.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by pbear19

Tom. As politely as I am able, I would like to point out that Kansas City and I (and others) were making a tounge-in-cheek commentary to illustrate that the OP's use of 'southwestern region' wasn't the best terminology. Given that the original intent of this thread had absolutely nothing to do with Missouri schools, none of us found it necessary to list every single college or university in MO with a greek system. That would be silly, not snobbish.

If you are intersted in discussing the multitude of greek systems in this fine state, you might consider starting a thread entitled 'Missouri Greeks', rather than listing the schools ad nauseum in a thread called 'Dynamics of Greek Life on campus'.

Coquiporvida - you have my apologies for the huge hijack. One thought - are the NPHC groups on your campus large? SGRho at Truman had I think 4 members when I was undergrad, but they had an uncanny knack for making their presence known, and for interacting with other GLOs. I will always have a ton of respect for that organization because of how those ladies presented themselves. If you have a similar group at MSU, it might be a good group to reach out to for ideas.

Cool, I will be more than happy to turn this task over to you!

[Coquiporvida]

Originally Posted by Kansas City

I don't think that it has anything to do with ignorance, recruitment/intake process, or how the organizations operate.

I think it is easier for organizations of a similar size to associate with each other regardless of affiliation. You mention in another thread about your chapter having 4 members I believe? When you are dealing with five different PHA/NPC sororities on the MSU campus of 50-100 girls each, it can lead to quite a discrepancy and (unfortunately) it is easy for your members to become "lost in the crowd" so to speak. I don't think that the other organizations want to purposely exclude your group (nor does your group intend to exclude other organizations) but it just doesn't seem to work well, logistically speaking.

Although it may not have much to do with how organizations operate internally, it does have a significant impact on how we relate to each other and interact.

I would say that 4 members against the significantly larger sororities on campus does put us at a disadvantage numerically, that is the only disadvantage. As small as we are, I think that we work very hard to promote, represent, and make of presence known on campus. Has it been easy, no, but we are making it, with much success.

[Kansas City]

Originally Posted by Coquiporvida

Although it may not have much to do with how organizations operate internally, it does have a significant impact on how we relate to each other and interact.

Huh? Perhaps I need more of an explanation on how the internal operations of any organization impacts their external interactions with any other organization at MSU. I don't want to be mean but it seems that you are making up a lot of superficial excuses as to why your organizations do not participate with one another.

[Coquiporvida]

Originally Posted by Kansas City

Huh? Perhaps I need more of an explanation on how the internal operations of any organization impacts their external interactions with any other organization at MSU. I don't want to be mean but it seems that you are making up a lot of superficial excuses as to why your organizations do not participate with one another.

No. These are not superficial excuses and the reasons arent as cut in dry. The supposed differences in the Greek comm. here at MSU, are not related to organizations internal interactions. I think that the problem that arises is that we have gotten comfortable within our own organizations occasionally branching out to others who are like minded. Years of disassociation and of course the mentality is engrained in the membership and they continue to perpetuate this. At the heart, can this be looked past, yes. But when you get to where we are now, years of this "two way ignorance" it is hard to "come together". Although significant strides are being made to correct with in our current Greek community. (at MSU)

[Kansas City]

I guess that I'm a bit confused as to what exactly you are hoping to achieve at MSU (or any other college camups) then. As much as I would like to see world peace happen and everybody live harmoniously in a community together, it just isn't going to happen. Now if you can better explain the exact problems that you are looking for a solution to, I'm sure that GC would like to opportunity to assist you.

[Coquiporvida]

Well, I am not looking for the entire Greek community here to hold hands and sing coombya, that wont be happening any time soon. What I and others hope to achieve is a basic understanding of each other, which could potential build into an advantegous relationship. I hope that explains it.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Coquiporvida

Well, I am not looking for the entire Greek community here to hold hands and sing coombya, that wont be happening any time soon. What I and others hope to achieve is a basic understanding of each other, which could potential build into an advantegous relationship. I hope that explains it.

Have this discussion placed on the agenda for the next Greek Office (however you all do the meetings where each GLO sends a rep) meeting. Then you all can discuss suggestions for how to foster more understanding and get more positive social and service interactions.

Like a few people have already said, unity across councils is about the same at most campuses that have more than one council. Even Greek Week at some campuses doesn't get equal participation across councils for reasons such as numbers and organizational protocol. Outside of Greek Week, organizations that do joint programs across councils are usually doing so because individuals get along very well. It often has less to do with Greek unity and more to do with people liking the social and service efforts of particular groups. Sometimes these are people who take classes together or live around each other--they get along and have extended this to certain aspects of Greekdom. I definitely have seen this happen with tiny NPHC sorority chapters and large IFC chapters.

[Coquiporvida]

Thanks for the suggestion. That actually sounds doable, I think I will try that.

[sjsoffer]

I feel like the OP is seeing a lot of ...stuff...here at good ole MSU that I'm just not seeing.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by sjsoffer

I feel like the OP is seeing a lot of ...stuff...here at good ole MSU that I'm just not seeing.

That's possible and that's why I recommended bringing this discussion to the next Greek council meeting. Those of who were unaware can be made aware and those who were aware can express their concerns.

What people see is often based on their frame of reference that shapes their reality and what they think is important. I know of campuses where the IFC and NPC Greeks thought everything was wonderful from where they were standing. They had no idea what the NPHC and other non-IFC/non-NPC Greeks were talking about when they expressed certain concerns and initiated these types of discussions.