Obama tackles race anger in major speech

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

MSNBC is the Obama network now.

It has gone off the deep end. I hate Fox News, but MSNBC is becoming just absurdly biased. I'd watch CNN, but I don't like having to listen to a 30 minute human interest piece about a grandmother and some health issue just so I can get to a 40 second rundown about newsworthy events in the middle east.

[Senusret I]

If you failed to read/hear any substance in his speech today, then maybe you're just too smug to comprehend anything you don't type yourself.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

If you failed to read/hear any substance in his speech today, then maybe you're just too smug to comprehend anything you don't type yourself.

quote of the week

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

If you failed to read/hear any substance in his speech today, then maybe you're just too smug to comprehend anything you don't type yourself.

Do you ever make intelligent comments? Every response I have ever seen from you in a contentious political discussion is some one-liner that you obviously think makes you sound smart.

I was not addressing the speech specifically but the circumstances around it.

I heard the speech and it did sound great and it did have some substance to it- but it also had a lot of excuses and at the end of the day I do not think it will matter to many voters who supported Hillary or for swing voters who are undecided- the people he needs to win a general election.

I avoided getting into the specifics of the speech since I knew a handful of morons like you (and you are the king race baiter on this forum in case you didn't know it) would not be able to have a rational discussion about it.

Instead I focused on the practical realities of what has happened- and in the end that is what really matters if we are talking about who will win the Oval Office in November.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

Do you ever make intelligent comments?

Does your mother?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Does your mother?

all Hail the KING (race baiter)

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

all Hail the KING (race baiter)

LOL! Because ALL of my Race War threads were soooooooo successful!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Does your mother?

LOL.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

I heard the speech and it did sound great and it did have some substance to it- but it also had a lot of excuses and at the end of the day I do not think it will matter to many voters who supported Hillary or for swing voters who are undecided- the people he needs to win a general election.

I avoided getting into the specifics of the speech since I knew a handful of morons like you (and you are the king race baiter on this forum in case you didn't know it) would not be able to have a rational discussion about it.

so,,,,,uuuhh...without the 'moron' portion...what did YOU get out of this speech today.....care to talk about that with out 3rd grade namecalling?

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

so,,,,,uuuhh...without the 'moron' portion...what did YOU get out of this speech today.....care to talk about that with out 3rd grade namecalling?

I think he did what he had to do, and he did it extraordinarily well. And that was to make it clear he does not agree with Wright's comments to create a separation to appease the majority of voters while also not abandoning his church and risking the support of many who at one time thought he was "not black enough".

On a personal level, I will admit it all rang a bit hollow for me however. I am just tired and weary of race being such an issue in this campaign- just as I am a bit weary of race being dragged out so often at every perceived injustice. I accept and understand racism against African-Americans is still very real, but I also understand that much of the leadership in that community has very self-oriented viewpoints and have no trouble using the race card in a very imbalanced way to promote goals that are largely politically and economically based.

In Obama's defense, it was the media that started the race business and not him. This nation is ready to elect a qualified President without taking race into account, and the media is where the guilt trip started whereby anyone who questioned him would be criticized on the grounds it was racially based. It is the same thing as when the media made a big scene about Joe Lieberman and whether the country was ready for a Jewish Vice President. And it is unfortunate since it puts such candidates at an automatic disadvantage when people of other races get automatically defensive about the assumption that their lack of support means they are potentially "racist".

This is not fair for Obama, but each candidate has things to overcome and they need- by expressing their own personal vision in a practical manner- to do that effectively.

Hillary has done a great job of establishing herself in her own right even though the media wants to play up the Bill Clinton factor.

John McCain has done a decent job of getting past the fact that early in the campaign he spoke at Bob Jones University- which is just as bad as what Obama is mired in right now and the reason I thought McCain was dead in the water early on.

Obama needs to get beyond this in a very clear break- and it is unfortunate that many of the allies he needs most will not let him do this. His speech today was a tremendous effort in that direction, but it was an impossible task to begin with.

I would not vote for Obama on lack of substance and on disagreement with him on his general stances which I think will lead to a more socialist form of government- but I do find him and his wife both to be very eloquent and intelligent people.

In fact his high level of intelligence makes me question all the more why he tied himself so closely to that church to begin with. Maybe the answer is that he had to get over the "not black enough" issue and this was how to do it.

Either way, my earlier posts were intended to be cold analysis of the facts as I see them- and not reflect any personal feeling about Obama as I have never met him and so don't have anything to offer.

As for the "moron" comment- that has been a long time in coming and it was well-earned. Someone talking about my Mom needs no reply- it speaks for itself.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

As for the "moron" comment- that has been a long time in coming and it was well-earned. Someone talking about my Mom needs no reply- it speaks for itself.

Haaaaaaaaa you so replied

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

I accept and understand racism against African-Americans is still very real, but I also understand that much of the leadership in that community has very self-oriented viewpoints and have no trouble using the race card in a very imbalanced way to promote goals that are largely politically and economically based.

So..you accept and understand...but what are you doing about it?

[skylark]

FWIW, I think in true Obama-style you're more of a uniter than a fighter, Senusret.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by skylark

FWIW, I think in true Obama-style you're more of a uniter than a fighter, Senusret.

Thanks, toots. Even though I wouldn't necessarily label myself that way, it's very flattering.

I just think political discourse on GC is just silly most of the time. Smugness, arrogance, long-windedness -- these things are not earmarks of a sound, well-researched argument. They are just as dumb as hysterical liberals who resort to calling something racist or sexist just because.

I have lots of opinions that are on either side of the proverbial aisle. I am a gay black man who is pro-choice, pro-marriage equality, pro-peace, pro-2nd amendment (as interpreted favorably to legal gun owners), pro-homeschooling, etc.

It took a long time for me to decide which candidate to support, so I respect those who are still undecided, or those who even decided on a different candidate than me.

I have a lesbian AKA friend who is pro-Hillary and she seems to be the only person with whom I can sit down with and discuss the pros and cons of both Hillary and Obama. I know she's not calling me a sheep because I support Obama and she knows I'm not calling her a sellout for supporting Hillary. But it's tough finding people like that who you can talk politics with rationally.

So I keep it light on GC and/or look to specific posters for their comments, DSTCHAOS being one of them because I know our thought processes are similar even though our experiences, values, and final decisions might be different.

In other words, I don't have to have one-liners in political discussions because I can't think of anything substantive to say -- I live substantively. GC is where I play.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

So I keep it light on GC and/or look to specific posters for their comments, DSTCHAOS being one of them because I know our thought processes are similar even though our experiences, values, and final decisions might be different.

You and I are holding hands and strolling into the sunset.