Ethical Question - Page 2

jon1856 · #16 02-08-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ladygreek

The OPs original question is would it be ethical and try and make them fail. This (to me) implies underhandedness and that would make it unethical. That is to what I am responding.

True, the OP did say or use term "make them fail".
Judging from the rest of thread, would seem of report situation to TPTB in
their chartering.

SNBullet · #17 02-09-2008, 12:27 PM

I guess the real question is should we a community cut this off, or let them screw up?

Our college is finally coming to the realization that Greeks are good. They understand that the service they provide, ie parties, are a necessary evil. If they kicked us all off, then the drinking would occur across campus in small parties with hard liquor instead of beer, and it would be harder to control. What the college wants is to own the houses outright, and control us that way. They already have 4 of the 11, but their desire to exterminate us seems to be diminishing. Id like to think that is due to our chapter and the connections we have formed within the community and between us and Admin. We worry because this new chapter has already pissed people off on both sides, and we dont want to see our hard work go to shit.

Leslie Anne · #18 02-09-2008, 01:19 PM

I'd say nip it in the bud. It would be unethical if you were just trying to mess things up for them to be cruel. But they're putting your own chapter and others at risk. I wouldn't let them tarnish the better image you're presenting to the admin. Besides, if they haze they don't deserve to be around. I have zero sympathy for them.

AGDee · #19 02-09-2008, 02:16 PM

I wouldn't do something sneaky or deceptive to make them fail at their recolonization effort, but I would, as a community, watch them very carefully and be sure to report violations. You haven't said that they've actually done anything wrong yet, from what I could tell, you are just unsure about the men they've chosen. Perhaps they will have strong guidance from their national group and rules will be enforced and you will have nothing to worry about. Aren't most colonies pretty well supervised or is that just a sorority thing?

Stef the Pef · #20 02-09-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

I'd say nip it in the bud. It would be unethical if you were just trying to mess things up for them to be cruel. But they're putting your own chapter and others at risk. I wouldn't let them tarnish the better image you're presenting to the admin. Besides, if they haze they don't deserve to be around. I have zero sympathy for them.

What she said.

If you've got reservations about this group, tell someone about it now. Tell the other guys on IFC that you're worried. Maybe the staff guy over IFC, the alums of the group that's recolonizing, or whoever else is helping this colony come back on, too.

Maybe you'll get a huge sigh of relief. Maybe you won't. Maybe you'll find that other folks have the same worries about it than you. Thing is, don't wait until it's too late and it turns into a mess.

SWTXBelle · #21 02-09-2008, 03:26 PM

I wouldn't normally advocate messing in other glo's business - but in this case I think sharing your concerns with the headquarters of the colony would be a good thing to do. There's no way they want to start out a colony that may turn out to be a HUGE liability. Don't attack - just state that you have some concerns that you wanted to shared because you want the new chapter to be an asset to the greek community. If you don't know things as fact, just tell them that you have heard some disquieting rumors which you hope are not true, but you wanted hq to have a chance to address them.

eta - My advice holds only for actions that have occurred since they have formed a colony. I don't think you can say "Joe Blow had low grades two years ago!" and have any authority.

Tom Earp · #22 02-09-2008, 03:37 PM

I disagree, leave them alone and mind your own business.

If they are the way they are, they will prove themselves soon enough.

Guess what, they will not last long and you have your dignaty.

jon1856 · #23 02-09-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

I disagree, leave them alone and mind your own business.

If they are the way they are, they will prove themselves soon enough.

Guess what, they will not last long and you have your dignity.

Tom;
As we have "seen" here all too often, and what maybe to case at this campus, one bad eggs can damage if not wreak the whole container.

I do agree with several of the other posters that if one were to do this, make sure that the report is based on real, factual, current data rather than IMHO, POV, rumors et al.

Tom Earp · #24 02-09-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jon1856

Tom;
As we have "seen" here all too often, and what maybe to case at this campus, one bad eggs can damage if not wreak the whole container.

I do agree with several of the other posters that if one were to do this, make sure that the report is based on real, factual, current data rather than IMHO, POV, rumors et al.

As you said, if and only if factual info is involved, but how long do we/they think is will come out to soon.

There should be no one turning against another when they will shoot themselves in the foot.

Could it make all GLOs look bad, of course it could, but it could also show that GLOs will not stand by and see this happen, but not by snitching which would would look bad for them. This too would show a bad light also.

jon1856 · #25 02-09-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

As you said, if and only if factual info is involved, but how long do we/they think is will come out to soon.

There should be no one turning against another when they will shoot themselves in the foot.

Could it make all GLOs look bad, of course it could, but it could also show that GLOs will not stand by and see this happen, but not by snitching which would would look bad for them. This too would show a bad light also.

Snitching?
No; perhaps in this case it is showing that GLO's can do the right thing.
Be adult, see the larger picture and step up to the plate.

SWTXBelle · #26 02-09-2008, 04:21 PM

DROLE!!!!!! Need a translation, please.

eta - "snitching"? What's next - cooties??

AOII Angel · #27 02-09-2008, 04:33 PM

If this chapter is openly doing things that are against the rules of the IFC and University, then take credible evidence to your administration to prevent the activities. I think members of the greek community do have a responsibility to assure that other members of IFC/PHC are safe from hazing. If you have no evidence that the group is acting illegally (since Hazing is illegal), you cannot expect your administration to act simply on rumor. Just because this group of guys may have shady pasts doesn't mean that they will assuredly be up to no good. Hard evidence is what you need, otherwise someone could make up rumors about Sigma Nu and get you kicked off campus too!

jon1856 · #28 02-09-2008, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

DROLE!!!!!! Need a translation, please.

eta - "snitching"? What's next - cooties??

What is the problem??????

SNBullet · #29 02-10-2008, 04:30 AM

We already told their national about them. We informed then that a portion of the brotherhood would not be eligible under college rules. But the natioanl has sided with them and made it very clear that they will do so in the future.

Their big infraction so far is supplying freshman with rush literature, and advertising in freshman dorms, which is against college policy. You must be a sophomore in good standing to pledge a fraternity and they are not allowed to advertise to freshman

SWTXBelle · #30 02-10-2008, 10:57 AM

Well, that's easy - if they are in violation of IFC or college rules, THAT should be reported to the proper authorities. But I have to say - that particular infraction doesn't make all Greeks look bad.