Getting Rid of Unrecognized Chapters - Page 2

Tom Earp · #1 01-30-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by greekadvisor

Thanks for all of the info thus far and sorry for the delay in my response.

There are two orgs primarily causing issues. One was a local chapter which lost its recognition from the university and a national which lost recognition from their national and the university. They switched their letters and do their own thing.

This is at a Private school.

How strict is the school with the greek organizations? -Been very lenient with them in the past.

Do they work with them? Yes as much as they are willing to work with the students.

Is there greek housing either off campus or dorm settings? Most are off campus, however the ones on campus seem to be the stronger chapters.

That is intersting. But of course the ones who are under the umbrella would be better or not!! More not!

So, it is two GLO organizations, one an ex (National) and one a local!

The finances and control over Chapers is with Nationals and not locals who have no oversight.

Suggest that You Contact the one with National over sight!
The Local well, you are on your own!

If they are not im compliance with the School then get rid of them or have them affiliate with a National.

Harsh, maybe not.

Kevin · #2 01-30-2007, 06:37 PM

It would be pretty easy to get rid of these organizations. As a private school (assuming you met all the criteria, you have a general counsel, so ask her about it), you should probably be able to make continued enrollment for anyone affiliated with these two groups conditional on their no longer being affiliated with these two groups.

Let's be honest, no kid is going to choose a local GLO over his diploma.

There are less draconian measures at your disposal, such as allowing them back onto campus on a probationary basis and going with option one (above) if that doesn't work out.

If you just want to "get rid" of these guys, then that really doesn't take much. Just get rid of them.

LPIDelta · #3 01-30-2007, 06:40 PM

Actually, if they changed their letters and were closed by the national, the national organization will probably want nothing to do with them. I have no idea what money would have to do with this.

The school is private--is there something in the student code of conduct that would help you out? Sometimes private schools have policies against joining unrecognized campus organizations?

There are definitely some liability issues for your school if you do not confront this issue because if something happens, even the school no longer recognizes the org, someone's parents will be upset. Consult the school's legal counsel for advice.

Someone suggested making statements re: the two groups' statuses, and I think in your situation that may help. Perhaps something in the school paper.

Also, support the groups that you do recognize. Help them beef up their recruitment efforts and make it apparent that the groups that play nice are going to be rewarded.

33girl · #4 01-30-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Heather17

Actually, if they changed their letters and were closed by the national, the national organization will probably want nothing to do with them. I have no idea what money would have to do with this.

I think (I'm very scared I might understand this) Tom is saying the national group might have the money to either 1) get them operating as a chapter in good standing again or 2) sue to make them cease and desist, but if they've changed letters, then the national really can't do anything about it.

Tom Earp · #5 02-01-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

I think (I'm very scared I might understand this) Tom is saying the national group might have the money to either 1) get them operating as a chapter in good standing again or 2) sue to make them cease and desist, but if they've changed letters, then the national really can't do anything about it.

Sorry, I am not really sure what your post is all about or what meaning it has to do with anything?

Underwhelming.

Judgemitch · #6 01-30-2007, 08:42 PM

Two schools have recently enacted policies to deal with this situation-one public, one private. State University of NY-Plattsburgh. Greek Advisor is Allison Swick Duttine. The other is American University. Advisor is Danny Kelly.
Federal Courts have recently allowed public institutions to ban membership in chapters that have lost recognition for violations of school policy and/or law. Private institutions need no reason.

TSteven · #7 01-30-2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Judgemitch

Federal Courts have recently allowed public institutions to ban membership in chapters that have lost recognition for violations of school policy and/or law.

Do you have a link to the ruling or can you cite the case? I'm not questioning this, as much as I would like to know for down the line.

Kevin · #8 01-31-2007, 11:10 AM

Judge, I did a cursory search on Westlaw. While I could find a few cases which stated that it was not a violation of the First Amendment for a public school to deny recognition to a chapter, I could find no such case which stated that it was okay for a public school to disallow members from associating with a particular chapter.

Do you have anything which might help me locate one of those cases?