NPHC organizations and Kappa Kappa Psi

[Senusret I]

Originally posted by oneninetwotwo
The Alpha answered my question. Thanks.

HOLLA!

**Goes back to being invisible**

[DGMarie]

Usually when someone says they feel another groups does not show "respect" they are upset about this. Disgruntled means the same thing as dissatisified or discontented. Nothing more serious than that.

[gamma_girl52]

my brother in APO answered that one very well.

Good lookin out!

[UKDaisy]

Originally posted by oneninetwotwo
We have KKPsi here at my school and there is none of that. All they do is build better bands. Period.

Is that all they are supposed to do? I don't understand why you guys are mad at KKPsi? Not all chapters are like that, so you can't put it on the whole nat'l organization as a whole. You can say certain chapters of another organization, but putting this angst towards the whole organization is not called for.

[abaici]

Originally posted by Senusret I
Hey what am I, the invisible man?

lol

Yep, pretty much Phrat. I thought you gave a pretty thorough answer...but that's just me. lol

[aopirose]

Originally posted by Senusret I
Hey what am I, the invisible man?

lol

Peak - a - boo, I see you!

Seriously Brother Senusret I, I thought that your post was great.

On the whole, I think that the topic is interesting because I watched Drumline again last night. One of the characters was on line for KKPsi at a fictional HBCU. The other schools and most of the GLOs were real though. It was a great movie. As a former band member myself, I could relate to the traditional vs. popular debate. I miss marching. End of reverie.

AOPiRose
APO - AE - Spring 1988

[gamma_girl52]

Originally posted by Senusret I

It isn't a simple issue, and it takes a lot of research that most people don't have time to do. So in lieu of visiting the Moorland-Spingarn Research Center, I suggest taking an afternoon to go to an HBCU library and go through the yearbooks. Also, Black Greek 101 by Dr. Walter Kimbrough offers a glimpse into these similarities.

I got time, brother. Actually I would like to do something similar for Gamma Sigma Sigma and perhaps present it at our next Convention in 2005. Can you point me in the right direction? Any online sources you could recommend, or other books (I did flip through Dr. Kimbrough's book, but not very closely)? You can PM me if you'd like. 'Preciate it!

[ChaosDST]

Originally posted by oneninetwotwo
It's not on my campus. It's other chapters from other schools. I don't have a problem with it. I just want to know when it emerged and why? The Alpha answered my question. Thanks.

Disgruntled? That's a strong word.

I understand your question and know where you're coming from. Other people are attaching an overly sensitive interpretation to your words.

Your point is well received. Everyone can get along, as long as there is respect. I think my biggest issue is with non-NPHC orgs who BASH the D9, but mirror themselves after us. That also applies to D9 orgs that BASH one another, but forget that we share a common bond and traditions.

[ChaosDST]

Originally posted by UKDaisy
Is that all they are supposed to do? I don't understand why you guys are mad at KKPsi? Not all chapters are like that, so you can't put it on the whole nat'l organization as a whole. You can say certain chapters of another organization, but putting this angst towards the whole organization is not called for.

He's not angry and he's not blaming the national body.

Simply put: He is talking about KKPsi chapters that fit his description (predominantly ones found at HBCUs).

[BLUTANG]

Hey everybody! The only thing i'm gonna touch in this conversation is the stepshow issue...

Some members get mad because they can't step at NPHC step shows... Why?

If the homecoming step show is for HOMECOMING, why deny the opportunity? I understand if it is an NPHC sponsored event (as some universities do), then NPHC has every right to set rules and guidelines. Tough titty for non-NPHC groups that want to participate.

However, if the stepshow is sponsored by student services, the student activities council or some other administrative branch of the University, why deny registered, active student organizations that show interest in participating? This might mean more work for the sponsoring body, but still it is on them to set fair guidelines and limitations. If these guidelines and limitations are clear and expressed waaaay in advance, then we will cut down on the grumbling every fall about "so and so won't let us step" or "why those abc's trying to be like us."

It's all about communication and respect. At my HBCU alma mater, we had plenty of student leaders and NPHC members in the band, so through constant interaction (you know black college bands practice ALL night) - there was a certain level of comraderie or at least understanding with Kappa Kappa Psi.
Little things like knowing members in other orgs as PEOPLE helps when conflicts do arise.

[ChaosDST]

Originally posted by BLUTANG
Hey everybody! The only thing i'm gonna touch in this conversation is the stepshow issue...


If the homecoming step show is for HOMECOMING, why deny the opportunity? I understand if it is an NPHC sponsored event (as some universities do), then NPHC has every right to set rules and guidelines. Tough titty for non-NPHC groups that want to participate.

However, if the stepshow is sponsored by student services, the student activities council or some other administrative branch of the University, why deny registered, active student organizations that show interest in participating? This might mean more work for the sponsoring body, but still it is on them to set fair guidelines and limitations. If these guidelines and limitations are clear and expressed waaaay in advance, then we will cut down on the grumbling every fall about "so and so won't let us step" or "why those abc's trying to be like us."

It's all about communication and respect. At my HBCU alma mater, we had plenty of student leaders and NPHC members in the band, so through constant interaction (you know black college bands practice ALL night) - there was a certain level of comraderie or at least understanding with Kappa Kappa Psi.
Little things like knowing members in other orgs as PEOPLE helps when conflicts do arise.

CO-SIGN

[blkwebman1919]

I don't have an issue with the D9 not allowing non-D9 orgs to step in their shows. I believe that it would convey a spirit of brother/sisterhood in general (and would reflect positively on them as well) for them to open their stepshows up to non-D9 orgs, but by no means do I think they have an obligation to do so.

I do have a problem, however, when the Pan allows a non-D9 org to step but only in exhibition. If a non-D9 org is good enough to be seen in a stepshow where spectators are paying admission (to be subsequently entertained by non-D9 orgs as well as the D9; there have been instances where my org was the most entertaining in the show), then the non-D9 org should be allowed to compete for prize money. Simply put, either the non-D9 are in, or they're out; if they aren't allowed to compete, then don't invite them at all. Period.

That being said, my answer to all non-D9 orgs concerning this never-ending debate is: "Get your own stepshow!". With all due respect to the D9, they don't have to be the only game in town. If non-D9 orgs are not invited to compete in the local "Pan" stepshow, then they should band together and put on their own (and be magnanimous by opening it up to the D9). This happens on many college campuses where the Greek community (and mindset) is not exclusive to the D9.

At any rate, this issue (which really boils down to "validation") is in many cases a losing battle that, in the overall scheme of things, is irrelevant and not worth the time or energy. If you're looking for acceptance, or validation, or "what have you", you will likely be disappointed.

Besides, there are more important battles.