Kappa Delta Phi????

[JetGel]

Originally Posted by KappaTarzan

the fraternity who wears the same letters as us is our brother fraternity. we have the same ideals, mottos, and affiliate ("pledge") program. we call them our brothers. wearing the same letters as them isn't weird cuz they have the same ideals as we do. therefore, no. i am not wearing someone else's letters.

if that were true why do you guys need an NAS at the end? why not join up and be a co-ed fraternity?

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by PhiPsiRuss

Your regional fraternity has so few chapters, that it is unlikely that a west coast sorority (where they were founded) would be aware of you.

^^^^I miss this guy so much!

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Exactly, and THANKS.

The letters clearly have meaning to both groups. Grow up and get over it.

I think this is the post that signalled the beginning of the end of my politeness on GC.

Originally Posted by PhiPsiRuss

Kappa Delta Phi has only chartered in New England, New York and Pennsylvania. That is not national in scope, and more to my point, helps to explain why a California sorority would not be aware of your organization in 1990.

^^^Again, I miss this guy.

Originally Posted by MysticCat

The founders/members of alpha Kappa Delta Phi learned, after choosing their name, that there was already a fraternity (and national affiliated sorority) by the same name. They chose a way that seemed appropriate to them and to the meaning of their name and ideals to deal with that situation. Would it have been "cleaner" if they had followed the examples of Sigma Phi Epsilon and Alpha Delta Pi? Sure, but it was their call to make, not anyone else's, and grousing about it isn't likely to accomplish anything except creating hard feelings.

^^^ I like this guy. Don't ever change.

Originally Posted by decadence

Hmm. This thread was extinct (ok, dormant) since 1902; until Kappa crow posted on it today. The bad cop in me can't help thinking if it hasn't been discussed on here in two years it's not that controversial.

I miss this guy too.

Originally Posted by JetGel

if that were true why do you guys need an NAS at the end? why not join up and be a co-ed fraternity?

SNAP!

Originally Posted by JetGel

if that were true why do you guys need an NAS at the end? why not join up and be a co-ed fraternity?

Good question.

Too bad KappaTarzan hasn't posted in years.

[CULater]

insurance reasons?

maybe their founders wanted it this way?

[Kappa crow]

I'm a brother of Kappa Delta Phi national fraternity.

we are a NIC Greek org and has been in existence since 1900.
we have a National Affiliate Sorority. they were KDP nas. we share many of the same values and traditions. However their always have the NAS in their letters. they NEVER just wear KDPhi as their letters.

it is more then a little disturbing to see another Greek org using our letters. and by that i make reference to alpha KDPhi.

if they knew that there was already a KDPhi out there why use our letters and work around it with just using a smaller case a?which they seem to not use half the time.

if a new org wants to be called TKE or ZBT and learn that those letters are already in use, what's next? lower case bTKE?
or xZBT? any way you get the idea.

i find it more disturbing that they often do not wear or display the lower case a on their shirts and websites often just calling themselves KDPhi, in essence, stealing my over 100 year old letters.

if someone out there wanted to name themselves Kappa Zeta Phi, i wouldn't care. and why? cause it's a Zeta and not a Delta that can easily and readily dropped from their letters. even if KZphi wanted to to drop the Z they would be KPhi.

alpha Kappa delta Phi appears to have no problem in dropping their alpha in a great deal of their web literature and pictures.

in any case. I hold no ill will toward the sisters of alpha Kappa Delta Phi and wish them well. I just wish they had not used our over 100 year old letters. Hopefully there will be no beta Kappa Delta phis or gamma Kappa delta phis in the near future to further complicate the issue.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by Kappa crow
it is more then a little disturbing to see another Greek org using our letters. and by that i make reference to alpha KDPhi.

Your regional fraternity has so few chapters, that it is unlikely that a west coast sorority (where they were founded) would be aware of you.

Also, many GLOs share some of the same letters. Pi Kappa Alpha was founded after Kappa Alpha, and there are two different Kappa Alpha fraternities. Alpha Delta Gamma was founded after Delta Gamma. There are many similar examples. Unless you copywrited your letters, you have no grievance.

[Senusret I]

Originally posted by russellwarshay
Your regional fraternity has so few chapters, that it is unlikely that a west coast sorority (where they were founded) would be aware of you.

Also, many GLOs share some of the same letters. Pi Kappa Alpha was founded after Kappa Alpha, and there are two different Kappa Alpha fraternities. Alpha Delta Gamma was founded after Delta Gamma. There are many similar examples. Unless you copywrited your letters, you have no grievance.

Exactly, and THANKS.

The letters clearly have meaning to both groups. Grow up and get over it.

[33girl]

Originally posted by russellwarshay
Your regional fraternity has so few chapters, that it is unlikely that a west coast sorority (where they were founded) would be aware of you.

Also, many GLOs share some of the same letters. Pi Kappa Alpha was founded after Kappa Alpha, and there are two different Kappa Alpha fraternities. Alpha Delta Gamma was founded after Delta Gamma. There are many similar examples. Unless you copywrited your letters, you have no grievance.

So if you don't have 50 or more chapters, it's OK for everyone and their brother to use your letters? They aren't a regional fraternity. They're national. True regionals cannot be in the NIC. Even before the internet, it's not hard to find a Baird's and look at the list of NPC or IFC affiliates.

And as far as PiKA & KA...that is NOT the same thing. They added an UPPERCASE letter, and I've never heard of PiKAs calling themselves "KA" or ADGs calling themselves just DG.

I totally understand where Kappa Crow is coming from.

[PM_Mama00]

But Russell, AGD's don't walk around with Delta Gamma on their chests. I'd be pretty upset if Phi Mu Alpha left out the Alpha and walked around with Phi Mu.

Doesn't anyone remember why we are not allowed to say Rho Chis anymore for recruitment counselor? If you're a panhel sorority girl who's been in for over a year, you should know. Unless you never called it Rho Chi.

Senusret I get what you're saying. I know that Alpha Phi Alpha holds everything of their fraternity sacred, even "calls". So how would you feel if an organization a lot younger than you popped up with Alpha Phi Alpha? You might feel the same way.

But aKDPhi's founders made their letters so that way, so there is prolly no turning back. If it is such a problem, then KDPhi and KDPhi nas's Nationals should ask aKDPhi to make sure to add that "a" on their stuff.

Life isnt' fair. Panhels across the inter/nation had to change their recruitment manuals to exclude the term Rho Chi. It happens.

ETA: I'm thinking of starting a sorority. I want it to be like Sigma Kappa, but not. I want to use all of their stuff, but it won't be Sigma Kappa. I'll call it Sigma Kappa Epsilon Pi.

[PhiPsiRuss]

If KDF is not a registered trademark, then they have no legitimate grievance.

If it is a registered trademark, then the must sue aKDF to cease and desist. If they do not, then KDF will eventually become public domain, and again, they will have no legitimate grievance.

[Taualumna]

No one would have any issue about this if the sorority used an upper case A. and the actually called themselves Alpha Kappa Delta Phi. Perhaps they should to avoid any trouble?

[Kappa crow]

Originally posted by russellwarshay
Your regional fraternity (snip)

national fraternity and NIC member.

[Kappa crow]

Originally posted by Taualumna
No one would have any issue about this if the sorority used an upper case A. and the actually called themselves Alpha Kappa Delta Phi. Perhaps they should to avoid any trouble?

amen.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by Kappa crow
national fraternity and NIC member.

Kappa Delta Phi has only chartered in New England, New York and Pennsylvania. That is not national in scope, and more to my point, helps to explain why a California sorority would not be aware of your organization in 1990.

[DeltaSigStan]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00

ETA: I'm thinking of starting a sorority. I want it to be like Sigma Kappa, but not. I want to use all of their stuff, but it won't be Sigma Kappa. I'll call it Sigma Kappa Epsilon Pi.

lol I understand, you're not an NPC sorority, nor are you a sorority at all, you're a club with greek letters.....