Gun toting mom found dead - Page 2

deepimpact2 · #1 10-09-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid

A tad oversensitive, aren't we?

I believe he's referring just to Northeasterners, and I think he's correct (at least in New England). I don't know many people who carry handguns. It's just not something we see a whole lot in the New England area (especially around the cities, as Munchkin noted).

That's not being oversensitive because he's lumping me into the category of how he THINKS people in the northeast feel about guns. He doesn't know ANYTHING about how I feel about carrying guns.

KSigkid · #2 10-09-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2

That's not being oversensitive because he's lumping me into the category of how he THINKS people in the northeast feel about guns. He doesn't know ANYTHING about how I feel about carrying guns.

You mean like the time you called me a racist because I'm a Republican (before you edited the post, of course)? Was he doing that kind of "lumping" into categories?

DaemonSeid · #3 10-09-2009, 11:05 AM

Gotta ask...BUT...why would a soccer mom need heat at a soccer game?

This is why the NFL can't risk a franchise (having a losing season) there....LOL

it would be murder!

Kevin · #4 10-09-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Gotta ask...BUT...why would a soccer mom need heat at a soccer game?

Personal protection -- the same reason most folks carry a concealed weapon. I don't personally carry, but lots of my friends do. When I start doing criminal defense work (I'm putting my name on the public defender's appointments list at the federal courthouse), I'll definitely be getting my conceal & carry license. I'd be a fool not to.

This lady was apparently a victim of domestic abuse. She may have been carrying the weapon to protect her from her husband, a parole officer who also probably carried.

DaemonSeid · #5 10-09-2009, 11:25 AM

Great, so they shot each other.

I got that part.

But, I mean this isn't the wild wild west (sorry I live on the east coast so forgive my not understanding) but what kind of personal protection do you need watching your kids play an organized sport?

(I'm asking rhetotically because while it makes sense to you, I can't wrap my head around it regardless of the explanation.)

Kevin · #6 10-09-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

But, I mean this isn't the wild wild west (sorry I live on the east coast so forgive my not understanding) but what kind of personal protection do you need watching your kids play an organized sport?

(I'm asking rhetotically because while it makes sense to you, I can't wrap my head around it regardless of the explanation.)

Usually, when someone carries a weapon, they carry it with them at all times when permitted. If you believe you need a firearm for personal protection, why would you ever leave it at home?

A friend of mine has had to draw his weapon twice. He lives in a bad part of town. Both times, he successfully avoided being mugged while filling up at a gas station. He never had to fire, but the gun very well may have saved his life. It definitely protected his stuff.

DaemonSeid · #7 10-09-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Usually, when someone carries a weapon, they carry it with them at all times when permitted. If you believe you need a firearm for personal protection, why would you ever leave it at home?

A friend of mine has had to draw his weapon twice. He lives in a bad part of town. Both times, he successfully avoided being mugged while filling up at a gas station. He never had to fire, but the gun very well may have saved his life. It definitely protected his stuff.

I guess but just for myself, I grew up in some pretty rough parts of town but never needed to pack, much less needed to be packing to go to a kiddie sporting event so the significance is lost on me with this story.

Still tragic all the same.

Kevin · #8 10-09-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I guess but just for myself, I grew up in some pretty rough parts of town but never needed to pack, much less needed to be packing to go to a kiddie sporting event so the significance is lost on me with this story.

Still tragic all the same.

A lot of folks live in houses without security systems and never need 'em. Same story. It's just an additional measure of security. I know if someone wants to make me a victim, I'd much rather have a gun than not have a gun.

DGTess · #9 10-09-2009, 06:12 PM

Criminals prey on the weak and unprotected. Carrying a gun, particularly openly as Melanie Hain did, lets the bad guy know you're neither.

Average response time for police varies from area to area, but you can almost guarantee when the dipshit whacko starts shooting at a kids' soccer game, or a college campus, or a mall, or a church, or any other place "you don't need a gun", the police won't be there in time to stop it.

DaemonSeid · #10 10-09-2009, 06:16 PM

Well it didn't protect Melanie from her husband.

This article (and I am not sure if it's the same as originally posted) confirms that Scott did it.

He shot her with his own gun while hers was in a backpack at the front door.

Yeah.

DGTess · #11 10-10-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Well it didn't protect Melanie from her husband.

This article (and I am not sure if it's the same as originally posted) confirms that Scott did it.

He shot her with his own gun while hers was in a backpack at the front door.

Yeah.

Just goes to show she wasn't carrying it, not that carrying it wouldn't have protected her.

Logic 101.

I thought I had quoted the earlier post; my statement was the "why" one "needs" to carry at a kids' soccer game.

deepimpact2 · #12 10-10-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DGTess

Just goes to show she wasn't carrying it, not that carrying it wouldn't have protected her.

Yep.

DaemonSeid · #13 10-09-2009, 09:29 PM

DI this is where I have to step in.

1. Your article. The incident happened in PA Carrying around a gun, much less to a kids sporting event was not deemed normal.

2. Kevin's comment in proximity to your OP because you were in shock.

3. Kevin made it abundantly clear that it's common in Oklahoma that people to carry concealed weapons.

3a. And due to that, his 'you northeasterners' I divine to be in reference to the people in PA who were up in arms about this woman bearing arms who made her get her licence suspended.

deepimpact2 · #14 10-09-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

DI this is where I have to step in.

1. Your article. The incident happened in PA Carrying around a gun, much less to a kids sporting event was not deemed normal.

2. Kevin's comment in proximity to your OP because you were in shock.

3. Kevin made it abundantly clear that it's common in Oklahoma that people to carry concealed weapons.

3a. And due to that, his 'you northeasterners' I divine to be in reference to the people in PA who were up in arms about this woman bearing arms who made her get her licence suspended.

Well I'm not in PA so where does the "you" come in?
And how was I in shock?

agzg · #15 10-09-2009, 09:36 PM

I know plenty of people in PA that packed heat ALL THE TIME.

But I get the "you northeasterners."

I lived in some pretty "red-necky" parts that didn't really identify with urban areas and urban problems (even some parts of Pittsburgh when I lived there). Overwhelmingly, I think at least, gun control issues are more prevalent in more urban areas (except, obviously, in this case).