Copy Cats??

[lalalucy]

Originally Posted by OTW

Do I sense some defensiveness here? Are you a New Delta?

It doesn't matter if they're not trying to affiliate themselves with ADPi. They're swiping symbols and mottos held dear to other Greeks and making it their own.

Oh God no! When I went through recruitment I considered them but when I realized they didn't even have real letters that screamed no to me!

[VAgirl18]

Apparently the Executive Office doesn't think that its a concern. Apparently we should be flattered. Um, no. Not acceptable!!

[aggieadpi_01]

I was told by Executive Office in an email, "Basically, there is nothing we can do unless they use our registered trademarks. We really should be flattered by this." I encourage all of my ADPi sisters to voice their concerns with Exec.

L&L

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by aggieadpi_01

I was told by Executive Office in an email, "Basically, there is nothing we can do unless they use our registered trademarks. We really should be flattered by this." I encourage all of my ADPi sisters to voice their concerns with Exec.

L&L

That makes me kind of sad that I'm being told that I should be flattered. Like it was said earlier, I know that "imitiation" is a form of "flattery", but quite honestly I'm not flattered.

This might sound totally off kilter, but I kind of feel like something has been stolen from me. I take huge pride in our motto and to know that some local, who was attempting to affiliate with us, has essentially stolen it, really, really irks the daylights out of me. I'm sorry but that is how I feel.

I get that there is nothing I can do. I've voiced my concern to EO. I cannot control if they don't see it as much of an issue as I do. Different perspectives = different reactions. I get that. I can at least say "Hey I don't feel this is right".

I do want to thank OTW, VandalSquirrel, and MaggieXi for understanding where we are coming from. I know I appreciate it, and I'm sure my sisters do too.

[lalalucy]

PS: some of them are nice girls and i think they are just trying to find their own place while they get picked up by a national.

And the no letters comment wasn't a superficial thing to me, it was more of a who are they kidding with "new".

[Bella796]

Sorry for the crash, but I think they probably researched NPC sororities and got help from another fraternity and chose the things they liked most about the other organizations. They obviously didn't read the GC threads about starting their own chapter I am not sure if legally you can do anything, unless your motto is trademarked. I would be upset if they did it to Chi O so I don't blame you for being upset. Good luck and let us know what the outcome is.

[wahoo11]

Delta Chi shares 3/4 of its principles with Delta Upsilon verbatim.

Delta Upsilon also shares its colors (blue and old gold) along with 3 of it's principle (Friendship, Justice, and Learning --ie diffusion of liberal culture) with Sigma Chi.

How many fraternities have a knight's helmet and balanced scales on their crests? How many fraternities use a skull or a skull and crossbones? Exactly. A lot.

I think greeks tend to get this overwhelming sense of pride in to which organization they belong. Granted, we do have a lot to be proud of. However, often we forget that out mottos/creeds and colors are often very encompassing and commonplace. Blue and gold, blue and white, red and black are far too common to say anyone explicitly copied them. True, the posted group does have a lot in common with ADPi, but without knowing them, the sense of outrage is unwarranted.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by wahoo11

Delta Chi shares 3/4 of its principles with Delta Upsilon verbatim.

Delta Upsilon also shares its colors (blue and old gold) along with 3 of it's principle (Friendship, Justice, and Learning --ie diffusion of liberal culture) with Sigma Chi.

How many fraternities have a knight's helmet and balanced scales on their crests? How many fraternities use a skull or a skull and crossbones? Exactly. A lot.

I think greeks tend to get this overwhelming sense of pride in to which organization they belong. Granted, we do have a lot to be proud of. However, often we forget that out mottos/creeds and colors are often very encompassing and commonplace. Blue and gold, blue and white, red and black are far too common to say anyone explicitly copied them. True, the posted group does have a lot in common with ADPi, but without knowing them, the sense of outrage is unwarranted.

If that's the case, I'm going to enroll at Cornell, start a fraternity with Red and Buff as its colors, the White Carnation as the flower, and the Knight as our mascot. I'll name this organization New Delta Chi. I'm sure that'll go over well.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by wahoo11

Delta Chi shares 3/4 of its principles with Delta Upsilon verbatim.

Delta Upsilon also shares its colors (blue and old gold) along with 3 of it's principle (Friendship, Justice, and Learning --ie diffusion of liberal culture) with Sigma Chi.

How many fraternities have a knight's helmet and balanced scales on their crests? How many fraternities use a skull or a skull and crossbones? Exactly. A lot.

I think greeks tend to get this overwhelming sense of pride in to which organization they belong. Granted, we do have a lot to be proud of. However, often we forget that out mottos/creeds and colors are often very encompassing and commonplace. Blue and gold, blue and white, red and black are far too common to say anyone explicitly copied them. True, the posted group does have a lot in common with ADPi, but without knowing them, the sense of outrage is unwarranted.

I'm sorry but these groups were forming at a time when communication and technology were quite different. In 2007 when these ladies organized they could have used the internet for research to be sure they weren't using the same name. Groups can have similarities, but it is hard to explain away the use of:

• colors - Blue & White
• mascot - Lion
• historical name - Adelphean Society
• Motto - "We Live for Each Other"

That's four things, not one, and very specific things to this group that aren't "generic." You also may want to look into crests and heraldry, as there is much diversity in helmets, such as placement and design, and they mean entirely different things which are not always obviously to the average person. Alpha Delta Pi was founded 156 years before this group who currently goes by New Delta, it is not plausible or probable that a woman at UTEP had those specific identifiers come to her in a revelation.

Oh maybe it is New Delta because someone is the reincarnation of an original Adelphean? (If that offends any members I will delete it) People get religious revelations to bring along a new faith movement, perhaps there are visions from beyond we're just not privy to. There could be a flaming talking cactus in the desert for all we know.

[tcsparky]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

There could be a flaming talking cactus in the desert for all we know.

Just spit Dr. Pepper all over my screen!!


I agree that there are too many commonalities for this to be coincidence. It's very, sad. They could have been original and special, instead of clones or wannabees.

[HBADPi]

I get why people are upset about what happened here with this local sorority but honestly for me what has always made our sorority special isnt the open motto or our mascot or anything like, its always been the more private aspects of our sorority like the ritual that only fellow members know. I truly believe those are the things that make our sorority special because unlike the mascot or colors, it's something that is completely 100% unique to us and can not be duplicated. For those of you who are upset about this, just keep that in mind. Think back to your initiation, that's something no one else can ever take away from you or copy. At the end of the day, I feel sorry for these women because they are the type that will always follow someone else's lead instead of creating their own path in life.

[wahoo11]

Originally Posted by HBADPi

I get why people are upset about what happened here with this local sorority but honestly for me what has always made our sorority special isnt the open motto or our mascot or anything like, its always been the more private aspects of our sorority like the ritual that only fellow members know. I truly believe those are the things that make our sorority special because unlike the mascot or colors, it's something that is completely 100% unique to us and can not be duplicated. For those of you who are upset about this, just keep that in mind. Think back to your initiation, that's something no one else can ever take away from you or copy. At the end of the day, I feel sorry for these women because they are the type that will always follow someone else's lead instead of creating their own path in life.

This.

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by HBADPi

I get why people are upset about what happened here with this local sorority but honestly for me what has always made our sorority special isnt the open motto or our mascot or anything like, its always been the more private aspects of our sorority like the ritual that only fellow members know. I truly believe those are the things that make our sorority special because unlike the mascot or colors, it's something that is completely 100% unique to us and can not be duplicated. For those of you who are upset about this, just keep that in mind. Think back to your initiation, that's something no one else can ever take away from you or copy. At the end of the day, I feel sorry for these women because they are the type that will always follow someone else's lead instead of creating their own path in life.

Great points! And you are totally right!!!!

[honeychile]

Great response, HBADPi!

If you're at all curious about this group, check them out.

[Musicwalksuhome]

I found this on the greek page... it's not like these girls didn't read this and KNOW what the Adelphean Society was.

Sorority History Nationally

The first society for women, the Adelphean Society (now Alpha Delta Pi) was established in 1851 at Wesleyan College in Macon, Georgia. The Philomathean Society (later named Phi Mu)[14] was founded at Wesleyan College a year later in 1852. The Adelphean Society and the Philomathean Society did not take on their modern Greek names (Alpha Delta Pi and Phi Mu, respectively) until 1904 when they expanded beyond the Wesleyan campus. They are now often referred to as the Macon Magnolias. Many aspects of Alpha Delta Pi and Phi Mu (such as the stars and hands on their badges and the mascot of the lion) are similar due to the fact that while at Wesleyan a founder of Alpha Delta Pi and Phi Mu's Mary Ann DuPont (Lines) were roommates.

On April 28, 1867, Intercollegiate Sorosis (later known by its original Greek motto Pi Beta Phi) was founded at Monmouth College, in Monmouth, Illinois. It is the first sorority founded on the model of the men's fraternity. A year later it established a second chapter at Iowa Wesleyan College.

In the mid-1800s women were beginning to be admitted to previously all-male universities, and there were many women who felt that it was in their best interest to band together. The first collegiate women formed women's fraternities in an effort to counteract the widespread opposition to their presence. [15]

The earliest organizations were founded as "women's fraternities" or "fraternities for women;" the term sorority was coined by professor Frank Smalley in 1874, in reference to the Greek organization being established at Syracuse University, Gamma Phi Beta. Alpha Phi was also established at Syracuse University, in 1872, and along with Alpha Gamma Delta, these three sororities make up the Syracuse Triad. The first organization to adopt the word sorority was Sigma Kappa, established on November 9, 1874 at Colby College in Waterville, Maine.



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