Russian scholar says US will collapse - next year

[moe.ron]

The Republic of the Big East

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

You think so?


RUSSIA AND CHINA vs the US??


Russia AND China vs the US is a fight we can't afford to be in right now...I think there would be too many other smaller countries eager to join in...against us.

We would absolutely destroy them, nobody's military except Israel's can compare to ours in combat experience and technology (we invented the F-22 over 20 years ago). When you factor in the sheer size of our military, it would be a very lopsided victory.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

We would absolutely destroy them, nobody's military except Israel's can compare to ours in combat experience and technology (we invented the F-22 over 20 years ago). When you factor in the sheer size of our military, it would be a very lopsided victory.

While I agree with you on our experience and technology, we can also do it much cheaper with subversive weapons than conventional or nuclear weapons... While it blurs the human rights and moral lines, which I am unsure President Obama wants to do, we can used these subversive tactics to cripple this kind of threat. Why would we really do that, though? If anything, how'd we make money off of a tactical response to Russia or China? That would be silly, overall.

Hayle playing American Idol and The Bachelor over and over again is torture enough, IMO... And none of these countries have no where NEAR the kind of satellites we have, that is just a discussion with Ted Turner and a few others...

Take a few of their satellites of the 3-4 channels they do have, what are they really watching... Some of these leaders LOVE SATC, you know...

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

We would absolutely destroy them, nobody's military except Israel's can compare to ours in combat experience and technology (we invented the F-22 over 20 years ago). When you factor in the sheer size of our military, it would be a very lopsided victory.

You really think that even tho we are already stretched pretty thin where we are now, that a fight between China and Russia vs the US is something we could easily win?

When China is using Israeli technology (some of which was given to Israel from us and as of at least 10 years ago Israel was selling to China) and Russia probably having the determination to win, it's not a fight we can easily think we would win just by size alone.

No matter how much we hear about arms embargoes or pacts to keep the Chinese static, they have the wherewithal to duplicate whatever is needed to be a contender in a fight and anytime these folks can duplicate a factory down to the nuts and bolts and produce anything should make you seriously consider if we can afford to go to war with BOTH of them simultaneously.

You also need to consider that the 2 countries have had their top minds get together in order to strategically plan such an operation should it occur. Not to mention think of it if...IIIIFFF Iran or Korea decided to get in on their side...then what?

Lastly what kind of support from the US do you think we would put behind going to war...again?


That is too fine of a tightrope to simply say our sheer size would win.

And what kind of excuse would the Obama administration have to come up with to have this war so soon after Iraq?

WMDs? Food Poisoning? Democracy in China? There is no way the President can lie his way thru this one and get enough US support to fight another front so soon after shutting down another.


Heck the global economy probably couldn't afford another war right now.

Russia learned that lesson fighting in Afghanistan...determination and will is what wins.

ETA: Funny that you mentioned the F 22, because I just remembered soemthing I heard in the news yesterday about the production of the plances and its effects on the economy:


Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

[DolphinChicaDDD]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Panarin argued that Americans are in moral decline, saying their great psychological stress is evident from school shootings, the size of the prison population and the number of gay men.

If I stretch my brain enough, I can maybe kinda sorta understand how psychological stress can be caused by school shootings and a large prison population. But gay men?
What about the gay women?

Oh no! Honey! A gay man! Quick- where is my xanax and smelling salt! I just may pass out from all the psychological stress!

[srmom]

I think he's saying that psychological stress is a cause for school shootings, a large prison population and gay men, not that gay men cause psychological stress.

Whatever -

I wonder what he thinks of the rampant moral decline of Russia? Prostitution, drug use, theivery, etc...

Oh, and what about the massive human rights abuses in China?? I guess they're excused??


If we're going down, everyone's going down with us!

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by srmom

I think he's saying that psychological stress is a cause for school shootings, a large prison population and gay men, not that gay men cause psychological stress.

Whatever -

I wonder what he thinks of the rampant moral decline of Russia? Prostitution, drug use, theivery, etc...

Oh, and what about the massive human rights abuses in China?? I guess they're excused??


If we're going down, everyone's going down with us!

and don't forget the bootlegging....

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

We would absolutely destroy them, nobody's military except Israel's can compare to ours in combat experience and technology (we invented the F-22 over 20 years ago). When you factor in the sheer size of our military, it would be a very lopsided victory.

PhiGam, I agree with you partially. Though the F-22 is an outstanding fighter plane, Russia still has effectively perfected thrust vectoring technology. They're also able to build their aircraft at a cheaper cost. The Mig 29 Fulcrum cost a lot less to maintain than our F-18Es, but at the same time is just as effective in air to air combat. You also have to take in account that Russia also has very effective long range bomber technology as well. If we did win, that would probably be because China and Russia would have a hard time feeding their soldiers. The same problem that the Germans had during WWII. Germany had far superior technology than the Allies but yet they still lost the war. Where do you think the B2 bomber's shape came from?

[cheerfulgreek]

Speaking of the F-22, I was disappointed that the F-14 was retired. I understand the F-18 is cheaper, but the F-14 is much more effective against multiple long range targets. A lot of countries now have the same technology we have when it comes to military technology. Sukhoi's Flanker can do things that a lot of our aircraft are not able to do, as far as we know. But then again, our government isn't going to tell us everything.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Its propaganda. Even if we "fell apart", our military would flatten Russia and China in a matter of months.

I think we would eventually win, but not in a matter of months.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

What I find ironic is this theory that the "world is going to HELL" ever since a Black man became POTUS... They would think that now and use terror tactics to incite misinformation.

He's been predicting the same thing for a decade...so it was far before President Obama even started running for office. There were people who said the same thing when Bush was in office, when Clinton was in office, etc.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by moe.ron

The Republic of the Big East

Pittsburgh as the capital?

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

Pittsburgh as the capital?

Eh, I would say Connecticut would be the capital this year

Of course, that all could change on Saturday...

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

He's been predicting the same thing for a decade...so it was far before President Obama even started running for office. There were people who said the same thing when Bush was in office, when Clinton was in office, etc.

...and the whole quackery part is that he has no written proof or theory that backs up anything that he says.

Pssst...the sky is falling!

[agzg]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Eh, I would say Connecticut would be the capital this year

Of course, that all could change on Saturday...

I'm pretty sure I already told you - no.