Is Obama the Anti-Christ?

[Senusret I]

Uhhhhh, Helllooooooo?

I'm the anti-christ. Thanks.

[ThetaPrincess24]

So what if he is?

Believers will be taken up in the Rapture and will not endure any of the terror that will be unleashed afterwards. If you are a believer and take the scriptures literally or metaphorically, then you have no control over that fate.

From another angle, let's say the scriptures are untrue and never come to pass. Will there be such a thing as an Anti-Christ then? A war nuclear and/or biological that wipes us all out? An asteroid or comet hitting the earth and bringing our demise? If those happen you'll most likely die anyway so again why worry with it? It is beyond our control.

The coming of the Anti-Christ is a good thing in my opinion. It means the rapture and Second Coming are near. Dwelling on who it is, when they will come, or the other scenarios is silliness and a waste of time.

As a side note: My MIL and my mother think Obama is the anti-christ. My mom has thought every president since Reagan was the anti-christ at some point or another.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by ThetaPrincess24

So what if he is?

Believers will be taken up in the Rapture and will not endure any of the terror that will be unleashed afterwards. If you are a believer and take the scriptures literally or metaphorically, then you have no control over that fate.

From another angle, let's say the scriptures are untrue and never come to pass. Will there be such a thing as an Anti-Christ then? A war nuclear and/or biological that wipes us all out? An asteroid or comet hitting the earth and bringing our demise? If those happen you'll most likely die anyway so again why worry with it? It is beyond our control.

The coming of the Anti-Christ is a good thing in my opinion. It means the rapture and Second Coming are near. Dwelling on who it is, when they will come, or the other scenarios is silliness and a waste of time.

As a side note: My MIL and my mother think Obama is the anti-christ. My mom has thought every president since Reagan was the anti-christ at some point or another.

I don't think most Christians think logically about the whole rapture idea. I can remember in the 6th grade when someone predicted that a certain day in September would be the rapture. Half of my class didn't show up for school that day, like Jesus wouldn't be able to find them in our private Christian school connected to a church! Ha! They all skulked back the next day and acted like nothing happened...then again, nothing did!!

[ThetaPrincess24]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I don't think most Christians think logically about the whole rapture idea. I can remember in the 6th grade when someone predicted that a certain day in September would be the rapture. Half of my class didn't show up for school that day, like Jesus wouldn't be able to find them in our private Christian school connected to a church! Ha! They all skulked back the next day and acted like nothing happened...then again, nothing did!!

There have been dates and years predicted throughout history. I believe the bible says not to predict dates because no one will know the day and the hour? I dont believe anyone's date/year predictions on the end times. That's just as dumb as people thinking the world is ending in the next decade because the Mayan calendar stops. Everyone thought the end was coming with the advent of Y2K. Here we are 8 years later. Nothing happened

Did anyone make fun of your classmates when they came back? I recall being in the 6th grade when a major earthquake was predicted. Some people didnt come to school that day. No earthquake They got made fun of the next day.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by ThetaPrincess24

There have been dates and years predicted throughout history. I believe the bible says not to predict dates because no one will know the day and the hour? I dont believe anyone's date/year predictions on the end times. That's just as dumb as people thinking the world is ending in the next decade because the Mayan calendar stops. Everyone thought the end was coming with the advent of Y2K. Here we are 8 years later. Nothing happened

Did anyone make fun of your classmates when they came back? I recall being in the 6th grade when a major earthquake was predicted. Some people didnt come to school that day. No earthquake They got made fun of the next day.

Nah...we all went to a super conservative school so religious extremes were frequent visitors for us. I think they tried to get excused absences, but the school said "NO!"

[Senusret I]

If you have to say "but" then you're not really sorry.

[ThetaPrincess24]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

If you have to say "but" then you're not really sorry.

Haha! Okay then. I think Jerry Falwell was a far right pinhead. no buts

[jojapeach]

I cannot *stand* that "um....". It's probably the inner English teacher in me.

You must have forgotten that his consituents are the ones that elected him. He might not be too bright for the rest of America, but he must be a certified genius in his neck of the woods.

[Still BLUTANG]

i stopped reading at "fort mill"

[Leslie Anne]

Instead of taking wild guesses about how comfortable Obama was, how much Ayers has changed, how bad someone has to be to refuse to be on a committee with them, or any kind of right wing comparison, how about looking at what's actually being said.

McCain's camp, via Palin, is suggesting that Obama supports domestic terrorism. Do you actually think that's true?

[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

Instead of taking wild guesses about how comfortable Obama was, how much Ayers has changed, how bad someone has to be to refuse to be on a committee with them, or any kind of right wing comparison, how about looking at what's actually being said.

McCain's camp, via Palin, is suggesting that Obama supports domestic terrorism. Do you actually think that's true?

No, they're suggesting that he is friends with a domestic terrorist and that seems to be true. Just because liberal community organizations in Chicago think that Ayers is back to being a mainstream figure doesn't mean that Americans have to agree with them.

Obama has chosen to make a big deal about how inspiring his story is (he wrote two books about it after all) and the big question about that story is that Obama has chosen to associate himself with some pretty radical people and it would be irresponsible politically for McCain to not raise the issue of what that says about Obama's judgement.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

Instead of taking wild guesses about how comfortable Obama was, how much Ayers has changed, how bad someone has to be to refuse to be on a committee with them, or any kind of right wing comparison, how about looking at what's actually being said.

McCain's camp, via Palin, is suggesting that Obama supports domestic terrorism. Do you actually think that's true?

Where are you getting this?

I think you are the one making the leap from "comfortable working with unrepentant domestic terrorist" to "supporting domestic terrorism." How far a leap it is is probably better for you to judge.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Where are you getting this?

I think you are the one making the leap from "comfortable working with unrepentant domestic terrorist" to "supporting domestic terrorism." How far a leap it is is probably better for you to judge.

I've read a lot about William Ayers and have read quotes of his talking about how he has regrets and remorse for HOW they did things. I think a lot of young people did a lot of things the wrong way during those very turbulent times when our leaders were being assassinated and anger about Vietnam was rampant. Since he turned himself in (1980), he has done a lot of good for society, especially in the area of education reform. Personally, I believe that many people did things in the late 60's and early 70's that were very wrong, out of anger toward what was happening in our world. Our country was very angry then. I also believe that age brings wisdom and the ability to turn that anger into doing good. I think William Ayers has made that change as evidenced by the good works he does now for education reform and the community. In all honesty, I fear that the anger felt during those times is rekindling, but that's another thread altogether. I don't think, however, that accepting campaign contributions for a state senate seat or sitting on a common board of directors this many years after the fact should mean anything.

She said today: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10...y4502414.shtml

Palin on Saturday painted Obama as someone who “is not a man who sees America as you and I see America,” and on Sunday, Palin did not back down an inch in hammering the Democratic nominee.

“And he, of course, having been associated with that group, a known domestic terrorist group, it's important for Americans to know,” she told CBS News. “It’s really important for Americans to start knowing who the real Barack Obama is."

That clearly implies that he was associated with a group that was active when he was 8 years old.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I've read a lot about William Ayers and have read quotes of his talking about how he has regrets and remorse for HOW they did things. I think a lot of young people did a lot of things the wrong way during those very turbulent times when our leaders were being assassinated and anger about Vietnam was rampant. Since he turned himself in (1980), he has done a lot of good for society, especially in the area of education reform. Personally, I believe that many people did things in the late 60's and early 70's that were very wrong, out of anger toward what was happening in our world. Our country was very angry then. I also believe that age brings wisdom and the ability to turn that anger into doing good. I think William Ayers has made that change as evidenced by the good works he does now for education reform and the community. In all honesty, I fear that the anger felt during those times is rekindling, but that's another thread altogether. I don't think, however, that accepting campaign contributions for a state senate seat or sitting on a common board of directors this many years after the fact should mean anything.

She said today: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10...y4502414.shtml

Palin on Saturday painted Obama as someone who “is not a man who sees America as you and I see America,” and on Sunday, Palin did not back down an inch in hammering the Democratic nominee.

“And he, of course, having been associated with that group, a known domestic terrorist group, it's important for Americans to know,” she told CBS News. “It’s really important for Americans to start knowing who the real Barack Obama is."

That clearly implies that he was associated with a group that was active when he was 8 years old.

Well, except if the "he" I've bolded refers to Ayers, which I suspect it does.

Ayers is the domestic terrorist, and Obama is the guy associating with him.
(http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...defends-a.html if you want to see more context)

Ayers, here in 2001, himself makes clear he doesn't have regrets.

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Ma...01/No-Regrets/

Here's wiki too:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ay...sed_since_2001



ETA: I think this is just going to be one of those divides. Some of us are bothered by Ayers and Dohrn and are disgusted by them having positions of authority at mainstream institutions and others are not. Those of us who are disturbed will hold this association against Obama and those who aren't won't.

[AGDee]

Ayres explains those comments in his blog here:

http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/...t-and-fantasy/

and here:
http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/...sorry-i-think/