Alleged Rape of NCCU Student: (Duke Scandal)

[PerfectVerse06]

Dad: Broomstick used on dancer

Object cited in TV talk apparently not a focus of past police searches

MARK JOHNSON
mjohnson@charlotteobserver.com

DURHAM - The father of the accuser in the rape case involving Duke University lacrosse players said his daughter was raped with a broomstick during a party last month, and that explains defense lawyers' claims that no DNA from players was found on her.

The woman's father, appearing on MSNBC's "Rita Cosby Live & Direct" Tuesday night, said his daughter told him that when three team members raped and sodomized her, they also used a broom.

The father said he learned about the broom from others, "and then she told me afterwards because she didn't want me to know that part," he said.

Durham civil rights activist Victoria Peterson told the Observer on Wednesday that an investigator in the case told her the woman had been sodomized "with an object."

"He did not say a broom, just an object," said Peterson, who has become a friend and adviser to the woman's family since the party. "He told me she wasn't just raped, she was terribly sodomized."

When reached by the Observer on Wednesday at his home, the woman's father said he was leaving for a doctor's appointment and couldn't talk.

Defense lawyers for the players were not available or did not return phone calls for comment. Police officials also would not comment.

In papers filed with the court, police who searched the Buchanan Boulevard house where the party occurred made no mention of seizing a broomstick. And a broomstick was not among the items that police said they wanted to seize when they applied for the search warrant.

The woman's father also said in the TV interview that his daughter had considered dropping the case because of the immense pressure from all the attention and public debate.

"She has talked about it. As a matter of fact, she told me it was getting to be too much on her," the father said. "She couldn't take it. So far she's still hanging in there though."

Peterson said she's spoken with the accuser twice and found her "under great duress. She's depressed. She's crying. She needs help; this lady is out of it."

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[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by Rudey
Maybe. I'm just putting it out there. I also know this. There are black people that will believe her even if the evidence shows otherwise and there are white people that will believe the students because how can kids like that do any wrong.

Either way, I think it's time for a new controversy because the news is boring lately.

-Rudey

"A new controversy." I’m sorry but your sarcasm is throwing me off. This is someone's life that is messed up because of this one incident. One of the males involved has committed a crime against a man in DC because he thought the man was gay so he “allegedly” assaulted him. If that does not sound like a Hitler or “white power” move I don't know what is. That could easily be justified in court as an act upon a person based on discrimination tying it to the rape case, which it seems, was racially motivated and dismiss because of class issues, i.e. The thought that oh she’s just some stripper, this woman is afraid to even stay in her home because of death threats to her and her children. I am sorry but that just got close to my skin when you said the news is getting boring like these people’s lives is a form of entertainment for you. I will just chock that comment up to being a joke. That is how you meant it right?

[mulattogyrl]

Originally posted by PerfectVerse06
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlot...s/14438495.htm

Oh my gosh.

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by mulattogyrl
Oh my gosh.

Right, I know. That is why 75 out of 80 rape cases have no DNA evidence, they rape the victims with objects. I can't imagine having to defend myself from that. I hope that she does not drop the case. God give her strength.

[teena]

Originally posted by Gods Ivy
Right, I know. That is why 75 out of 80 rape cases have no DNA evidence, they rape the victims with objects. I can't imagine having to defend myself from that. I hope that she does not drop the case. God give her strength.

Oh man

[Gods Ivy]

People on and off campus were outraged that it took police nearly three days to search the house. They were even more incensed that it took two weeks for the university to make the decision to suspend the team's season.


This is just crazy.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by PerfectVerse06
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlot...s/14438495.htm

I guess I don't understand. If it was a broomstick, then why do a DNA test and why not look for the broom? Either the police are just beyond incompetent and not doing this girl justice or it's lie after lie.

-Rudey

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Gods Ivy
"A new controversy." I’m sorry but your sarcasm is throwing me off. This is someone's life that is messed up because of this one incident. One of the males involved has committed a crime against a man in DC because he thought the man was gay so he “allegedly” assaulted him. If that does not sound like a Hitler or “white power” move I don't know what is. That could easily be justified in court as an act upon a person based on discrimination tying it to the rape case, which it seems, was racially motivated and dismiss because of class issues, i.e. The thought that oh she’s just some stripper, this woman is afraid to even stay in her home because of death threats to her and her children. I am sorry but that just got close to my skin when you said the news is getting boring like these people’s lives is a form of entertainment for you. I will just chock that comment up to being a joke. That is how you meant it right?

Yes, it wasn't something to be taken seriously as you guessed.

I don't think assaulting a gay man is asking to a "White power" move but that's because being gay is not a race. If reputations and past history are going to be used for the defendant than what could be said of the woman being a stripper and her sexual history? I mean a Catholic priest who does so much good and is close to the lord is in the news for molesting kids - his reputation didn't tie in that case.

And while most of these events are sad and tragic, I think we follow them as a form of entertainment. I don't know what else to call it but that's just semantics. That's why the media will talk about something more in the news over other stories. It sells right?

But I'm wondering one thing though. Let's say that they prove that these kids didn't rape her. What then? Who will pay for the damage done to them?

-Rudey

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by Rudey
Yes, it wasn't something to be taken seriously as you guessed.

I don't think assaulting a gay man is asking to a "White power" move but that's because being gay is not a race. If reputations and past history are going to be used for the defendant than what could be said of the woman being a stripper and her sexual history? I mean a Catholic priest who does so much good and is close to the lord is in the news for molesting kids - his reputation didn't tie in that case.

And while most of these events are sad and tragic, I think we follow them as a form of entertainment. I don't know what else to call it but that's just semantics. That's why the media will talk about something more in the news over other stories. It sells right?

But I'm wondering one thing though. Let's say that they prove that these kids didn't rape her. What then? Who will pay for the damage done to them?

-Rudey

You are right I agree, and maybe that is a better way to look at this sometimes but it just upsets me because that is what is done by white supremacy groups-bash gays, blacks, Jewish people, and anyone else that is different from the "pure white world." It's all just sad but more and more things are coming out leaning toward the theory of something did happen and that is not just a fabricated story. I apologize if I seemed too abrasive. Thanks for having my back in the moderator forum.

[Rain Man]

VERY interesting twist in the Duke rape case. Check it out:

DURHAM, N.C. (AP) -- The woman who says she was raped by three members of Duke's lacrosse team also told police 10 years ago she was raped by three men, filing a 1996 complaint claiming she had been assaulted three years earlier when she was 14.

Authorities in nearby Granville County said Thursday that none of the men named in the decade-old report were ever charged with sexual assault there, but they didn't have details why.

A phone number for the accuser has been disconnected and her family declined to comment to The Associated Press. But relatives told Essence magazine in an online story this week that the woman declined to pursue the case out of fear for her safety.

The existence of the report surprised defense attorneys, one of whom has sought information about the accuser's past for use in attacking her credibility.

"That's the very first I've heard of that," said Bill Cotter, the attorney for indicted lacrosse player Collin Finnerty, who along with fellow Duke sophomore Reade Seligmann is charged with first-degree rape, kidnapping and sexual assault. He declined additional comment.

Attorney Joe Cheshire, who represents one of the uncharged players on the team, said he wants to know if prosecutors in the current case knew about the earlier allegation, or if the accuser told them about it.

He added that he found it notable that authorities apparently declined to prosecute the earlier case.

"These are serious allegations, particularly for a person that age. In my mind, it would raise real issues about her credibility," he said.

Attorneys for Seligmann asked the court this week to order the state to turn over the accuser's medical, legal and education records, and hold a pretrial hearing to "determine if the complaining witness is even credible enough to provide reliable testimony."

The accuser, a 27-year-old student at North Carolina Central University in Durham, told police she was hired to perform as a stripper at a March 13 party, where she was raped by three men.

According to the Creedmoor police report in August 1996, when the woman was 18, she told officers she was raped and beaten by three men "for a continual time" in 1993, when she was 14. She told police she was attacked at an "unspecified location" on a street in Creedmoor, a town 15 miles northeast of Durham.

The report lists the names of the three men, but no other details. Creedmoor police Chief Ted Pollard said Thursday he had no recollection of the report, and his staff has been unable to find any additional information about it.

Durham police Officer Brian Bishop, who interviewed the accuser in 1996 while working on the Creedmoor force, said Thursday he had a vague recollection of the report but couldn't remember any details.

When asked about the accuser's previous report of rape, Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong declined to comment.

Before Seligmann and Finnerty were indicted, attorneys for the players pointed to the accuser's criminal history when answering questions about their clients' legal troubles. The woman pleaded guilty to several misdemeanors in 2002.

Curious development: Accuser in Duke case also filed rape complaint in '96

[mccoyred]

Originally posted by Rain Man
VERY interesting twist in the Duke rape case. Check it out:

DURHAM, N.C. (AP) -- The woman who says she was raped by three members of Duke's lacrosse team also told police 10 years ago she was raped by three men, filing a 1996 complaint claiming she had been assaulted three years earlier when she was 14.

Authorities in nearby Granville County said Thursday that none of the men named in the decade-old report were ever charged with sexual assault there, but they didn't have details why.

A phone number for the accuser has been disconnected and her family declined to comment to The Associated Press. But relatives told Essence magazine in an online story this week that the woman declined to pursue the case out of fear for her safety.

The existence of the report surprised defense attorneys, one of whom has sought information about the accuser's past for use in attacking her credibility.

"That's the very first I've heard of that," said Bill Cotter, the attorney for indicted lacrosse player Collin Finnerty, who along with fellow Duke sophomore Reade Seligmann is charged with first-degree rape, kidnapping and sexual assault. He declined additional comment.

Attorney Joe Cheshire, who represents one of the uncharged players on the team, said he wants to know if prosecutors in the current case knew about the earlier allegation, or if the accuser told them about it.

He added that he found it notable that authorities apparently declined to prosecute the earlier case.

"These are serious allegations, particularly for a person that age. In my mind, it would raise real issues about her credibility," he said.

Attorneys for Seligmann asked the court this week to order the state to turn over the accuser's medical, legal and education records, and hold a pretrial hearing to "determine if the complaining witness is even credible enough to provide reliable testimony."

The accuser, a 27-year-old student at North Carolina Central University in Durham, told police she was hired to perform as a stripper at a March 13 party, where she was raped by three men.

According to the Creedmoor police report in August 1996, when the woman was 18, she told officers she was raped and beaten by three men "for a continual time" in 1993, when she was 14. She told police she was attacked at an "unspecified location" on a street in Creedmoor, a town 15 miles northeast of Durham.

The report lists the names of the three men, but no other details. Creedmoor police Chief Ted Pollard said Thursday he had no recollection of the report, and his staff has been unable to find any additional information about it.

Durham police Officer Brian Bishop, who interviewed the accuser in 1996 while working on the Creedmoor force, said Thursday he had a vague recollection of the report but couldn't remember any details.

When asked about the accuser's previous report of rape, Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong declined to comment.

Before Seligmann and Finnerty were indicted, attorneys for the players pointed to the accuser's criminal history when answering questions about their clients' legal troubles. The woman pleaded guilty to several misdemeanors in 2002.

Curious development: Accuser in Duke case also filed rape complaint in '96

Yeah? Your point?!

One could even argue that BECAUSE she was sexually assaulted when she was a child that she became promiscuous (sp?) and went into stripping to support herself going through school. In fact, many rape victims are assaulted multiple times probably because of low self esteem where people feel that they can be taken advantage of.

I know that there are folks on here who have dealt with this type of issue on a professional basis who can speak on this more eloquently than I can so I will defer.

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by mccoyred
Yeah? Your point?!

One could even argue that BECAUSE she was sexually assaulted when she was a child that she became promiscuous (sp?) and went into stripping to support herself going through school. In fact, many rape victims are assaulted multiple times probably because of low self esteem where people feel that they can be taken advantage of.

I know that there are folks on here who have dealt with this type of issue on a professional basis who can speak on this more eloquently than I can so I will defer.

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[Rain Man]

Originally posted by mccoyred
Yeah? Your point?!

One could even argue that BECAUSE she was sexually assaulted when she was a child that she became promiscuous (sp?) and went into stripping to support herself going through school. In fact, many rape victims are assaulted multiple times probably because of low self esteem where people feel that they can be taken advantage of.

That's besides the point.

The point is, was this the case in this matter or was it a matter of crying wolf "because it worked once before"?

[teena]

Originally posted by Rain Man
That's besides the point.

The point is, was this the case in this matter or was it a matter of crying wolf "because it worked once before"?

Rainman, Rainman, Rainman

Are you serious?

[RedVelvet]

Originally posted by Rain Man
That's besides the point.

The point is, was this the case in this matter or was it a matter of crying wolf "because it worked once before"?

Geez, Rainman