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[DeltAlum]

The men have finally showed up on the news.

They haven't said anything new that I've heard, but at least they're there.

Another question that I have is that if the hope is to get the children back with their families, why are there three hundred attorneys making objections and slowing the court proceedings down to a crawl?

Let's elect a spokeslawyer.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

The men have finally showed up on the news.

They haven't said anything new that I've heard, but at least they're there.

Another question that I have is that if the hope is to get the children back with their families, why are there three hundred attorneys making objections and slowing the court proceedings down to a crawl?

Let's elect a spokeslawyer.

Texas law requires each child have a lawyer. Yay for pro bono I suppose. But these lawyers have been brought in, they don't know each other and aren't going to necessarily trust one of the others to speak for them. Or perhaps the law prohibits that too.

[AGDee]

The men on the Today show this morning were bizarre. The women did most of the speaking, slowly and deliberately, as if weighing every word. One of the men was asked specifically whether he would thought it was wrong to marry a 14 year old. He stated (again, carefully, deliberately) "I personally would never do such a thing".

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by AGDee

The men on the Today show this morning were bizarre. The women did most of the speaking, slowly and deliberately, as if weighing every word. One of the men was asked specifically whether he would thought it was wrong to marry a 14 year old. He stated (again, carefully, deliberately) "I personally would never do such a thing".

Follow-up should have be "But would you have sex with a 14 year old girl?
And would you want an off-spring from that relationship."
Remember it has been pointed out here and in the news that there is a great deal of local and federal monies going to these groups.

[Educatingblue]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Follow-up should have be "But would you have sex with a 14 year old girl?

We already know the answer to that question! Of course the men in the community are going to lay low (in the media) because they are the ones who get to have their cake and eat it too! I was watching the Today show the other morning and they were talking about the number of 13-yr-old pregnant mothers...

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Texas law requires each child have a lawyer.

I'm sure that makes sense on the face of it. But if they all go their own direction, this case could last a very long time.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

I'm sure that makes sense on the face of it. But if they all go their own direction, this case could last a very long time.

I'm sure the laws weren't written with the possibility of 400 children at a time.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

I'm sure that makes sense on the face of it. But if they all go their own direction, this case could last a very long time.

I think that would be okay in the long run. I would hate to have it drag out for the children and the surviviors of this night mare, but if it means that these rapists (because that's what they are, i don't like euphemisms) have to stand trial for each one to dig to get to know what was going on then I am for having it take a long time.

I actually feel that the "men" in this compound should be rounded and "dealt with."

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

The men have finally showed up on the news.

They haven't said anything new that I've heard, but at least they're there.

Another question that I have is that if the hope is to get the children back with their families, why are there three hundred attorneys making objections and slowing the court proceedings down to a crawl?

Let's elect a spokeslawyer.

Okay, the highlighted part is what's bothering me: how do they define family? The mother and children? The mother and children, with paternal visitation? What about all of the half and step siblings?

They're going to have to completely re-define the concept of family to solve this hot mess.

[Tom Earp]

I still have the itch in the back of my mind about this so call unknown girl was that called and has never been found?

This reminds me of a bit of Waco, Texas when the Feds moved in and look what happened there.

Whether this group was wrong or right, why did the Feds swoop in?

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Okay, the highlighted part is what's bothering me: how do they define family? The mother and children? The mother and children, with paternal visitation? What about all of the half and step siblings?

They're going to have to completely re-define the concept of family to solve this hot mess.

If any of those children are placed back with their families, it will be a complete miscariage of justice.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Whether this group was wrong or right, why did the Feds swoop in?

I don't believe there were any Feds involved, swooping or otherwise. All the reports I have seen refer only to Texas law enforcement and Child Protective Services investigators participating in the raid.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Okay, the highlighted part is what's bothering me: how do they define family? The mother and children? The mother and children, with paternal visitation? What about all of the half and step siblings?

They're going to have to completely re-define the concept of family to solve this hot mess.

Yep.

I finished Under the Banner of Heaven recently and I feel like I have a little better grasp on the polygamous craziness than I did before. I have no idea how you would figure out how children could be returned to their families and still protect them from abuse or incest.

Maybe they will give the mothers the opportunity to retain custody of their own biological children if they leave the compound and will allow periodic visitation and interviews with the children?

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I don't believe there were any Feds involved, swooping or otherwise. All the reports I have seen refer only to Texas law enforcement and Child Protective Services investigators participating in the raid.

I should elaborate.

I'm not making a judgement on what should or shouldn't happen to the "families."

My thought, though, is that IF the mission of the lawyers is to reunite the families (whether that's right or wrong), all of the objections are simply elongating the process and that flies in the face of what they're supposed to be trying to do.

This is a mess.

[madmax]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I don't believe there were any Feds involved, swooping or otherwise. All the reports I have seen refer only to Texas law enforcement and Child Protective Services investigators participating in the raid.

That's not the point. Since when does an anonymous call give the local, state, feds or any law agency the authority to search your house and take your kids?