Auburn Recruitment - Page 11

AOII Angel · #**151** 08-14-2009, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueCarnation

I agree. We had a quota of 45 and one of the chapters on our campus allegedly had over 150 legacies go through recruitment. Obviously you are not going to take a pledge class full of legacies. They ended up taking 3, and all 3 had sisters in the house already. I think legacies are just another way to get you a second look, but don't matter that much. If a chapter likes you, whether or not you are a legacy will usually make little difference.

Considering this, I find it ridiculous that chapters assume a PNM will join a legacy group.

SWTXBelle · #**152** 08-14-2009, 07:30 AM

Well, the problem is that just as pnms want to maximize their chances, so chapters want to focus their efforts on girls who are really interested. Trying to figure out how to "read" the pnms can be tough - I know of alumnae who are firmly convinced that if a girl cries at pref, she wants them. I cry at the drop of a hat - this would not be a good test for me! I have also known of situations when "stealing" a legacy would be discussed - so I guess it can work in the favor of the pnm.

As I mentioned, we can never know why a certain pnm was not invited to her legacy sorority. But in talking to alumnae from highly-competitive campuses, I learned that it CAN be a factor discussed when winnowing down the list of pnms. That's why in SOME situations I would recommend not throwing a possible other reason to be cut out there.

AuburnMom08 · #**153** 08-14-2009, 09:25 AM

What a long week this has been - good luck to all going into the last round.

My daughter's group put in about 16 hours yesterday and she left last night confused about how a couple of her favorites who were very interested in them and who had ranked high with everyone who met them got cut over some girls who acted very disinterested and had lower rankings. I'm glad this is winding down, I'm used to my daily phone calls and I've missed them this week because she has been so busy!

CougarGrad · #**154** 08-14-2009, 10:25 AM

9:24 am and I'm dying for an update. Hope everyone's daughters are doing okay. Hang in there, moms!!

awkward1 · #**155** 08-14-2009, 10:39 AM

Auburnmom08 - It is confusing isn't it? Perhaps those girls are legacies, there is no telling. Maybe some of the girls had to be let go because they didn't have the grades..who knows. It's just a hard process on everyone involved. I bet you are proud of your daughter for working so hard for so long! These young women really do learn a lot of life skills throughout the process: communication skills, commitment, work ethic, following rules, working as a team....I hope that prefs are going well for everyone involved today. I am anxious to hear how they went and I can't wait to hear the final outcome tomorrow at 10am!!!!!!!!!!

AnchorAlumna · #**156** 08-14-2009, 10:50 AM

Re: Noting a legacy status on a recommendation to your sorority:

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I've come to believe that legacies mean very little unless the sister is currently in the house or has very recently graduated....

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Originally Posted by BlueCarnation

We had a quota of 45 and one of the chapters on our campus allegedly had over 150 legacies go through recruitment...they ended up taking 3, and all 3 had sisters in the house already. I think legacies are just another way to get you a second look, but don't matter that much...

And that's a cryin' shame! Just 3?? Of course you don't want to dictate which sisters the current actives should choose, but to only pledge .02% of your legacies is sad.

I do list legacy status if I know it - heck I even list roommates. The chapter needs to know who the competition is. But I would hope it would not dictate what the chapter decides. But it certainly is an easy way to let somebody go.

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Originally Posted by auburnmom09

She did not return to the legacy sorority today and of the ones she went back to there were only 2 she is still really interested in and only one more she said she would go to tomorrow for pref if they invited her back....

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94

...it seems to me that more PNM feel entitled to only join the very "top chapters."

Yep, no matter how many times you say "keep an open mind," it seems they sometimes only open so far.

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Originally Posted by auburnmom09

I agree with whomever said it is not a fair system.

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Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I think sometimes people who are unhappy with their immediate outcomes see systematic failure where none may really exist, and we might be projecting that on to legacy status.

No, it's not a perfect system. I wish it were. But it's the fairest system we've come up with so far. And it's proved itself over and over again, on multiple campuses.

AuburnMom08 · #**157** 08-14-2009, 10:51 AM

I do agree that she has learned a lot these last 2 weeks in preparing for and experiencing recruitment as a member.

Have they decided where the bids will be handed out?

How does snap bidding work and does Auburn do that?

I haven't even had a chance to ask her any questions really, our conversations have been very short this week.

kiteflyerzl · #**158** 08-14-2009, 11:10 AM

It is my understanding that bids are to be handed out tomorrow morning at 10 AM at the Rugby fields.

Snap bidding is a process that is used to help chapters fill quota if they were unable to do so from their Preference attendees. Women who participated and maximized their options and were not matched are eligible to be snapped as are women who withdrew from the formal recruitment process before the end. If it is handled properly, the "snaps" are counted as part of a chapter's quota and the women show up with the rest of the PNMs on Bid Day so unless you are REEEAAAALLLLLYYY paying close attention you would never know the difference.

AuburnMom08 · #**159** 08-14-2009, 11:20 AM

Huh that's interesting. So everyone will get a list of potential snaps sometime today and then go over those tonight? Do they score them or just choose names they recognize or what? Of course ideally, everyone will make quota but this could be a way for a few more girls an opportunity.

Is every groups quota that same or does it vary by sorority?

kiteflyerzl · #**160** 08-14-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AuburnMom08

Huh that's interesting. So everyone will get a list of potential snaps sometime today and then go over those tonight? Do they score them or just choose names they recognize or what? Of course ideally, everyone will make quota but this could be a way for a few more girls an opportunity.

Is every groups quota that same or does it vary by sorority?

Only those groups that do not match quota in bid matching will worry about making a list of women to "snap".

I could try to explain quota and how not everyone will get exactly the same number but it's probably best to read this post instead. It is very helpful!

ETA - the 5% rule that post mentions no longer applies. A chapter can receive more than 5% of quota as quota additions.

AuburnMom08 · #**161** 08-14-2009, 11:29 AM

Thanks for the info, I had heard the term before and vaguely knew what it meant but I mentioned to my daughter that maybe some of the girls she loved who got cut after yesterday would get a snap bid and she didn't even know what that meant so they obviously haven't discussed it.

AuburnMom08 · #**162** 08-14-2009, 11:35 AM

Oh my that quota business is confusing! All I know about my daughters group is they can take 60 new girls.

lawgal · #**163** 08-14-2009, 12:08 PM

Okay, if the sorority makes quota but are still under total, can they snap to total?

AZ-AlphaXi · #**164** 08-14-2009, 12:17 PM

No .. snap bidding is only for filling quota. What they can do is COB to total after all the formal recruitment bids have been given out.

lawgal · #**165** 08-14-2009, 12:28 PM

Too bad the cob girls could not participate in bid day activities.... It sounds like a lot of fun. Jill Moore had posted someplace (facebook?) that total at Auburn was average chapter size, and said that roughly half the sororities would be under total at any one time. (Of course that doesn't rally jive with what you hear about very few Auburn sororities participating in COB)