Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions - Page 10

mccoyred · #1 06-23-2008, 07:45 PM

Michelle Obama on The View

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59twO1fJwtQ

MsFoxyLoxy77 · #2 06-25-2008, 11:34 AM

Hey Political GCers. What do you think about Muslims feeling hurt or angered because Obama has yet to personally visit Mosques or other Islamic gatherings?

Take a look at this NY Times article for example:
Muslim Voters Detect A Snub from Obama

On a side note: I should point out that Obama staffers are not in charge of seating people at rallies. I've been to an Obama rally so to my knowledge local volunteers do the seating. It is not Obama's fault those two Muslim young ladies were told they couldn't sit behind him in a rally....though it still doesn't make it right.

Also he has taken pictures with women before in Muslim dress (I saw them on CNN) I'll post some later when I find them...

SummerChild · #3 06-25-2008, 03:46 PM

I think that, if he is visiting churches and buildings affiliated with other religions, he should also visit buildings affiliated with Islam. I know that this will just provide fuel to the fire for the Republican fear tactics that are being used on Americans but hey, it's the right thing to do.

He has to be an honest man about it. Either stop going to churches (if he's going - not sure) or go to the mosques too. You really can't have it both ways.

SC

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Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

Hey Political GCers. What do you think about Muslims feeling hurt or angered because Obama has yet to personally visit Mosques or other Islamic gatherings?

Take a look at this NY Times article for example:
Muslim Voters Detect A Snub from Obama

On a side note: I should point out that Obama staffers are not in charge of seating people at rallies. I've been to an Obama rally so to my knowledge local volunteers do the seating. It is not Obama's fault those two Muslim young ladies were told they couldn't sit behind him in a rally....though it still doesn't make it right.

Also he has taken pictures with women before in Muslim dress (I saw them on CNN) I'll post some later when I find them...

WenD08 · #4 06-25-2008, 05:45 PM

i think his handlers should back up on this. Barack Obama appeals to everyone, regardless of faith. his people don't want to seem as if he could actually be a Muslim by him going to mosques, having Muslims in the audience, etc. alienating a particular group isn't helping him at all, IMO.
i did like that he personally apologized to the two Black women who felt slighted by being forced to move at an event. i'd rather Sen. Obama not have to constantly do such b/c of his people.

DSTCHAOS · #5 06-25-2008, 05:51 PM

Obama should visit a place of worship for every "mainstream" religion in America.

unspokenone25 · #6 06-25-2008, 06:13 PM

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Obama should visit a place of worship for every "mainstream" religion in America.

Agreed.

mccoyred · #7 06-25-2008, 07:48 PM

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Obama should visit a place of worship for every "mainstream" religion in America.

Just what I was thinking! He has done an Economic Tour and is scheduled to do a Biography Tour and a Foreign Policy Tour, why not a Faith Tour? He has reached out to Evangelicals and Jews, why not Muslims and other Christian groups (ie Catholics)?

I ran across this today http://www.moremuslimthanobama.com/moremuslimthanobama/...

MsFoxyLoxy77 · #8 06-26-2008, 09:48 AM

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why not a Faith Tour? He has reached out to Evangelicals and Jews, why not Muslims and other Christian groups (ie Catholics)? [/url]...

Agreed! A Faith Tour would be the best way to go about giving equal attention to all three mainstream religions and would futher support his campaign theme of uniting all people.

DSTCHAOS · #9 06-25-2008, 09:41 PM

Is there an "atheists for Obama" yet? Is atheism one of the mainstream religions in America? I know they are far outnumbered by Christians, Jews, and Muslims.

MsFoxyLoxy77 · #10 06-26-2008, 09:40 AM

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Is there an "atheists for Obama" yet? Is atheism one of the mainstream religions in America? I know they are far outnumbered by Christians, Jews, and Muslims.

Vey interesting question. I found an Atheist for Obama online group on his website. It has over 500 members.

IMO I don't think he should touch Atheism with a ten foot pole i.e. visiting any atheist conventions, gatherings, etc. I've observed that other than someone proclaiming they worship satan that atheism seems to be the ultimate taboo for many people of faith. Not only would this definitely turn the evangelicals off, but atheists make up something like 2% of the world's population & here in the USA we're more religious than most countries so if I had to guess I'd say that percentage would probably be smaller here...They're just not big enough to make or break Obama...

DSTCHAOS · #11 06-26-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

Vey interesting question. I found an Atheist for Obama online group on his website. It has over 500 members.

IMO I don't think he should touch Atheism with a ten foot pole i.e. visiting any atheist conventions, gatherings, etc. I've observed that other than someone proclaiming they worship satan that atheism seems to be the ultimate taboo for many people of faith. Not only would this definitely turn the evangelicals off, but atheists make up something like 2% of the world's population & here in the USA we're more religious than most countries so if I had to guess I'd say that percentage would probably be smaller here...They're just not big enough to make or break Obama...

Isn't there a difference between atheism and satanism? Atheists wouldn't believe in satan either, right?

Oh well...not to get into that...it is interesting that there's an atheists for Obama group but he needs to be careful with that. I agree with you. Campaigning to atheists would definitely alienate the nonatheists.

MsFoxyLoxy77 · #12 06-26-2008, 12:20 PM

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Isn't there a difference between atheism and satanism? Atheists wouldn't believe in satan either, right?

Yes, there is a difference. What you said sounds about right. But I wasn't really equating atheism and satanism. I was moreso talking about how atheists are viewed by people of faith. I was saying the perception associated with atheism is about as negative as one can get excepting perhaps taboo practices i.e devil worship, etc.

DSTCHAOS · #13 06-26-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77

Yes, there is a difference. What you said sounds about right. But I wasn't really equating atheism and satanism. I was moreso talking about how atheists are viewed by people of faith. I was saying the perception associated with atheism is about as negative as one can get excepting perhaps taboo practices i.e devil worship, etc.

I agree. That's the perception and that would scare the crap out of Obama supporters who are worshippers. It would also scare the crap out of nonsupporters and be used as another thing against Obama.

hijack/
Before I actually met an atheist (a Black man in a BGLO frat), I equated atheists with people who worship the devil or who would worship ANYTHING other than God. His take on it was that he is a firm believer...that there is no Higher Power, spiritual realm, or afterlive to believe in.

I still find atheists to be confused and lost souls but they find Believers to be lost souls who are in search of SOMETHING to believe in other than humanity.

/hijack

DSTCHAOS · #14 06-27-2008, 01:20 AM

I have actually encountered a few atheists but only formally met 2. The black one was the first. The second was a man who is married to an acquaintance of mine. She came from a strict religious background so she and her family were...thrilled...when she ended up "stuck" with him. I won't get into that.

Little32 · #15 06-27-2008, 10:00 AM

I know some agnostics, but I don't think that I know any atheists.