Jesse Jackson

[Discogoddess]

I still think most of the PUBLIC onus is on Jesse, since the "other woman" didn't have an international reputation, family, wife, supporters and, oh yeah, GOD, to whom he pledged to serve when he was ordained as a MINISTER, to think about. I don't condone this type of behavior from either party, BUT don't be so quick to "put it on" this woman. And that "men will be men" and can't-hold-themselves-together crap doesn't wash with me. If this is so, then why are we still allowing men to control our national and international governments and businesses, since they seem to be so out of control?

BTW, one of the sorors I made back in the day told me that her mom was hit on by Jesse after he spoke at a church in their hometown. When I shared that info with my mom, she just laughed and said that in her day, the big open secret in Chicago was how much both Jesse AND his wife got down with other folks. I mention this to make the point that today's news didn't surprise me.

Another BTW: I'm sure the right is LOVING this little tidbit now!

[Ideal08]

I'm always hesitant to post about topics like this, because they can get so touchy. This whole ordeal doesn't bother me at all. Well, I guess I shouldn't say that. This might end up being a long post. I'll say it like this: I'm not surprised. Unfortunately, I have to disagree with many. I agree, undoubtedly, that what happened was wrong. What I don't agree with is people being so disappointed in him. HE IS A MAN, and by that I mean human, of the flesh. I agree, he should've known better. At the same time, the title REV. does not give him any special powers. He does not have a shield that protects him from temptation. Satan preys on him the most, probably, because Satan knows that WE create role models. Satan knows that WE follow people, so he preys most on the ones we follow. WE choose to follow PEOPLE. That, to me, in my OPINION, is walking a fine line of idoltry. Jesse shouldn't have no followers. Period. He is supposed to be leading others to follow CHRIST. If we strip him of his title of REV., we might as well take it away from each and every minister, priest, reverend, pastor, etc.

WE need to stop creating these role models. I mean, who determines the criteria for a role model anyway? Who made Jesse (or Bill) role models? They sure aren't mine. I can't think of a single human being that I can say, "I want to be like him/her." Not one. I have always had a problem with this. We have taken the "it takes a village" thing too far. And we never learn from it!!! We are constantly talking about these "role models" and how we are disappointed in them. Bill, Whitney, Jesse. Stop allowing these PEOPLE to be your role models. I mean, how many of yall know Jesse? Why would you allow someone you don't even KNOW to be a role model???? All we know about him is what we see on TV. For all we know, he coulda been beating his wife for years. The point of the matter is, we don't know about these people's private lives. We don't know them socially. All we know is their persona that they WANT us to see. It's for this very reason that I don't believe in role models. Leaders are one thing, role models are another.

What's the difference in a role model and an idol, anyway? This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know.




[This message has been edited by Ideal08 (edited January 18, 2001).]

[AKA2D '91]

Originally posted by Ideal08:
It's for this very reason that I don't believe in role models. Leaders are one thing, role models are another.

What's the difference in a role model and an idol, anyway? This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know.

OHhhhhhhhhhhh Soror...

You don't believe in role models? Anyway, that's your believe...BUT, speaking for myself, my role models have been those who I can touch, see, speak to on a daily basis, etc.

My role models have been/are:
MY MOTHER
MY LATE FATHER
MY AUNTS
MY former TEACHERS
FRIENDS of my Family
MY Grandmother

These are the people who I have "looked" up to. These are the people, well, some of them who had NOTHING and made SOMETHING for themselves. These are the people who I emulate. These are the people who lead by example. These are the people who were there to give me advice personally AND professionally. These are the kinds of people I call role models, idols, mentors, or whatever label you want to give it...

NOW, as a teacher, there are many at my school (low socio-economic area) who have seen what I have achieved and say, oh..."I want to go to different schools like Ms. XYZ did" I want to be an AKA, like Ms. XYZ did. I want to be able to support myself and do for myself like Ms. XYZ does. So NOW, I AM IN A position to be a role model for these children, male and female.

Going back to your statement that you don't have role models, now, why was it that you went to college, wanted to become an AKA, or wanted to live a "certain" life? I am only being curious. Again, Soror, you have the right to your opinion about this.

But I too agree that role models should not be these people on TV, cause 9 times out of 10, they are usually putting on a FACADE, anyway. Still, there are many people in our communities, churches, schools, households who, to me are the REAL ROLE MODELS....

All of this is just my opinion!

[ManndingoNUPE]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Discogoddess:
[B]I still think most of the PUBLIC onus is on Jesse, since the "other woman" didn't have an international reputation, family, wife, supporters and, oh yeah, GOD, to whom he pledged to serve when he was ordained as a MINISTER, to think about. I don't condone this type of behavior from either party, BUT don't be so quick to "put it on" this woman. And that "men will be men" and can't-hold-themselves-together crap doesn't wash with me.


Let me clarify, I was in no way condoning, or saying that Jesse wasn't at fault. I have to agree with you on the term "boys will be boys" is kinda played right now.

We all make choices. Choices not chance determine our fate in life. I was simply trying to state that the blame should be shared equally since she knew that he was married. I also heard things about Jesse stepping out and doing his thing years ago. A friend of mine from college told me that a cousin of hers got involved with Jesse, and slept with him and she never heard from him again. So I also wasn't supprised when I heard this.

Also, there was an article I believe in Essence or some other magazine a few years ago that talked about the dirty little secreet of Ministers "letting their dogs out" with members of the church.

There are a lot of things that go on in our community that we simply look the other way on.

Peace and Luv

MN

[PositivelyAKA]

Originally posted by Ideal08:
I'm always hesitant to post about topics like this, because they can get so touchy. This whole ordeal doesn't bother me at all. Well, I guess I shouldn't say that. This might end up being a long post. I'll say it like this: I'm not surprised. Unfortunately, I have to disagree with many. I agree, undoubtedly, that what happened was wrong. What I don't agree with is people being so disappointed in him. HE IS A MAN, and by that I mean human, of the flesh. I agree, he should've known better. At the same time, the title REV. does not give him any special powers. He does not have a shield that protects him from temptation. Satan preys on him the most, probably, because Satan knows that WE create role models. Satan knows that WE follow people, so he preys most on the ones we follow. WE choose to follow PEOPLE. That, to me, in my OPINION, is walking a fine line of idoltry. Jesse shouldn't have no followers. Period. He is supposed to be leading others to follow CHRIST. If we strip him of his title of REV., we might as well take it away from each and every minister, priest, reverend, pastor, etc.

WE need to stop creating these role models. I mean, who determines the criteria for a role model anyway? Who made Jesse (or Bill) role models? They sure aren't mine. I can't think of a single human being that I can say, "I want to be like him/her." Not one. I have always had a problem with this. We have taken the "it takes a village" thing too far. And we never learn from it!!! We are constantly talking about these "role models" and how we are disappointed in them. Bill, Whitney, Jesse. Stop allowing these PEOPLE to be your role models. I mean, how many of yall know Jesse? Why would you allow someone you don't even KNOW to be a role model???? All we know about him is what we see on TV. For all we know, he coulda been beating his wife for years. The point of the matter is, we don't know about these people's private lives. We don't know them socially. All we know is their persona that they WANT us to see. It's for this very reason that I don't believe in role models. Leaders are one thing, role models are another.

What's the difference in a role model and an idol, anyway? This is not a rhetorical question, I really want to know.

soror well said


[This message has been edited by Ideal08 (edited January 18, 2001).]

[AKAtude]

I determine who my role models are. However, the media places these labels on people such as the "leader of the African-American community" or whatever. I never asked them to speak for me!

If they choose to step into that role then they better realize the awesome responsibility they take on and come correct. I know that no one is perfect and mistakes will be made, but I agree that he (and whoever the woman is) should have known better. Now that the world knows, he wants to take a "hiatus" and take time to heal and reconnect with his family.

[PrincessELG]

All I can say is that when I heard the news for some reason I was not all that shocked. I have been so desensitized by this celebrity doing this wrong and this celebrity doing another thing wrong that it doesn't even faze me any more. I mean after Bill Cosby, I guess even good ole "Rev" Jackson was not a shock. I am just upset that he of all people would go out and smack in the face everything he "supposedly" stood for. Things like the upliftment of the black community and family and high moral and ethical standards. Hypocrite doesn't even begin to decribe him.

[LadyAKA]

I did post this once, not sure where it went...

FOLKS - SLOW DOWN AND THINK ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON!!!!!!!!!1

Bear with me for minute .... I just figured something out at work with 2 close co-workers .... I know we are all mad at Jesse for his stupid actions, but guess what this is a ploy to get 'US' to stop thinking about what Bush and his people are planning/doing for inauguration (JAN 20)...not saying they are doing anything special but you know how we have all been watching to see who bush, actually who his people, pick to be in his cabinet... well guess what they have finally gotten the spot light off him. We have a right to be mad at Jesse but we need to stay focused on what is important right now ...so we all know Jesse had an affair and he has a child, but we need to stay focused on the what our next so called president of the US is up to. Lets get our priorities straight, and I am not saying he is not wrong, but we need to be careful where we stress our energies this weekend!!! Hope you all understand, and this scandal as with the Pres Clinton one, is not really our business - well it is because he is a public figure, but he and his wife now need to work this through, and I am pretty sure she knew about this, IF 10,000 was leaving my account monthly I think I would know where is was going!!!!

[mccoyred]

I was thinking THE SAME EXACT THING when I read the CNN article. This article http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/01/18/jac....ap/index.html refers to the timing of the announcement in an obvious way.

Originally posted by LadyAKA:
I did post this once, not sure where it went...

FOLKS - SLOW DOWN AND THINK ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON!!!!!!!!!1

Bear with me for minute .... I just figured something out at work with 2 close co-workers .... I know we are all mad at Jesse for his stupid actions, but guess what this is a ploy to get 'US' to stop thinking about what Bush and his people are planning/doing for inauguration (JAN 20)...not saying they are doing anything special but you know how we have all been watching to see who bush, actually who his people, pick to be in his cabinet... well guess what they have finally gotten the spot light off him. We have a right to be mad at Jesse but we need to stay focused on what is important right now ...so we all know Jesse had an affair and he has a child, but we need to stay focused on the what our next so called president of the US is up to. Lets get our priorities straight, and I am not saying he is not wrong, but we need to be careful where we stress our energies this weekend!!! Hope you all understand, and this scandal as with the Pres Clinton one, is not really our business - well it is because he is a public figure, but he and his wife now need to work this through, and I am pretty sure she knew about this, IF 10,000 was leaving my account monthly I think I would know where is was going!!!!

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[Poplife]

I saw it on CNN this morning. I didn't know if I wanted to commend him for being a man an admiting it, or to slap him for being so open about private business.

[TempleAlum1993]

TIMING IS EVERYTHING!

LadyAKA I hear where you are coming from. I am not condoning the actions nor defending Jesse Jackson. He has to answer to GOD and his family on this.

BUT....if any of you are old enough, you will remember all the smoke and mirrors that occurred when Clarence Thomas was nominated. WE (Read Black Folk) were all up in arms and all the while there were a number of confirmations being passed right on by "unnoticed".

If you haven't done so yet, I implore each of you to email your respective US Senators and give them you views on the Ashcroft hearings.

I mean with all the "Jesse" news, we CANNOT afford to look the other way while the confirmation hearings are going on.

[This message has been edited by TempleAlum1993 (edited January 18, 2001).]

[jazbri]

My first thought was not one of shock at all. Rumors have been flying for years. I don't agree with his adulterous actions nor do I support them.

Immediately, my second thought was that this is all a ploy to divert the public eye (esp. African American) from the nomination hearings! The timing was too perfect.

Many, many people will take the moral high ground on this one and totally lose respect for this 'man'. I personally may not respect his morals when it comes to the sanctity of marriage and family; however, I have to, HAVE TO respect his politics. The work that he's done for our community as well as on an international level where OTHERS have completely failed has been phenomenal.

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[AKA2D '91]

Originally posted by Poplife:
I saw it on CNN this morning. I didn't know if I wanted to commend him for being a man an admiting it, or to slap him for being so open about private business.

Yeah, but would he have admitted to this if he would not have found out about the expose' by that magazine?

[Monique]

Well, there not much I can say about this issue..yall said it all..but the only thing i can say is its funny when this all came out ..also poplife i agree with u 110%...Last thing i wannna say is that Jesse or anyone else has never been Monique's leader...Only his Lord Jesus Christ is my leader..why must we as a race ALWAYSSSS have to have someone as our leader?

[AKAtude]

I think I said earlier that the media gives people these labels. I speak for myself, thank you.

My momma always said never put your faith in man! I don't.

Yes, Jesse has done some great things, and I'm not knocking him for all the good he has done. Yes, I think this should be a private matter for him and his family to deal with. However, as a public figure the media decides this to be newsworthy.

The timing of the whole thing is ironic, but with something like this it is like waiting for the other shoe to drop. I'm surprised its been kept quite this long, especially since the Clinton sex scandal.