Transwomen and rush.

[Titchou]

Why don't you look up recruiitment information for various campuses? Such as Alabama which has their Greek Chic booklet online??????? Or the membership section of the 26 NPC groups' websites? It's out there for you.

[shadokat]

Not hard to find...

Many national organizations have created LGBT-inclusive membership policies. In the National Panhellenic Conference, Delta Phi Epsilon is explicitly open to trans and non-binary individuals,[2] and sororities open to any individual who identifies as a woman include: Alpha Chi Omega,[3] Alpha Delta Pi,[4] Alpha Epsilon Phi,[5] Alpha Omicron Pi,[6] Alpha Sigma Tau,[7] Chi Omega,[8] Delta Gamma,[9] Gamma Phi Beta,[10] Kappa Alpha Theta,[11] Kappa Delta,[12] Kappa Kappa Gamma,[13] Phi Sigma Sigma,[14] Sigma Sigma Sigma,[15] and Theta Phi Alpha.[16] Sororities open to any individual who identifies and lives as a woman include: Alpha Gamma Delta,[17] Alpha Xi Delta,[18] Delta Delta Delta,[19] Pi Beta Phi,[20] Sigma Delta Tau,[21] and Sigma Kappa,[22] while Zeta Tau Alpha specifies that the individual must "consistently" identify and live as a woman.[23]

Never mind the source numbers...just copied.

[bevinpiphi]

I assume it would work in a similar way to grade cuts - the women still go to the parties, but are not invited to further rounds if they do not make grades for the chapter - or in this case, do not qualify for membership in a certain organization.

[DGTess]

Originally Posted by bevinpiphi

I assume it would work in a similar way to grade cuts - the women still go to the parties, but are not invited to further rounds if they do not make grades for the chapter - or in this case, do not qualify for membership in a certain organization.

Dumb question - how would they know? They'd have to either ask or surmise. Surmising could lead to all kinds of stereotypical reactions.

I ask this because I have an acquaintance with whom I've had several long discussions. To look at her, one would immediately think trans woman, but she has mentioned to me more than once hormonal issues she's had throughout her life. I certainly would not dream of asking.

[carnation]

It all comes down to if they like someone.

[bevinpiphi]

Originally Posted by DGTess

Dumb question - how would they know? They'd have to either ask or surmise. Surmising could lead to all kinds of stereotypical reactions.

I ask this because I have an acquaintance with whom I've had several long discussions. To look at her, one would immediately think trans woman, but she has mentioned to me more than once hormonal issues she's had throughout her life. I certainly would not dream of asking.

They wouldn't know, per se...we don't ask for birth certificates, so it's all down to disclosure...and I feel like that gets sticky. The qualification for memberships in many organizations is, "are you a woman?" and since trans women are women...

[naraht]

Originally Posted by bevinpiphi

They wouldn't know, per se...we don't ask for birth certificates, so it's all down to disclosure...and I feel like that gets sticky. The qualification for memberships in many organizations is, "are you a woman?" and since trans women are women...

Loop back to the situation when a specific religion was a membership requirement? You can't ask in rush (or might get a lie during rush), but you can throw them out if it comes out in pledging/as a sister??

[carnation]

A private group can throw out anybody they want. They may not give the real reason why but I doubt that they would have to.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by naraht

Loop back to the situation when a specific religion was a membership requirement? You can't ask in rush (or might get a lie during rush), but you can throw them out if it comes out in pledging/as a sister??

If their rules prevent a PNm from being a member whatever it is the PNM may be/have done/have said, then of course they can deny the person membership.

[jbakajp]

Originally Posted by bevinpiphi

They wouldn't know, per se...we don't ask for birth certificates, so it's all down to disclosure...and I feel like that gets sticky. The qualification for memberships in many organizations is, "are you a woman?" and since trans women are women...

But are they? Not everyone agrees.

Some members of the KKG chapter at University of Wyoming are suing their national president and organization for "betray[ing] the central purpose and mission of Kappa Kappa Gamma by conflating the experience of being a woman with the experience of men engaging in behavior generally associated with women." according to Fox News:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/lawsui...cbo=v2-gXlIl0H

Who else was wondering when this was going to happen?

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by jbakajp

But are they? Not everyone agrees.

Some members of the KKG chapter at University of Wyoming are suing their national president and organization for "betray[ing] the central purpose and mission of Kappa Kappa Gamma by conflating the experience of being a woman with the experience of men engaging in behavior generally associated with women." according to Fox News:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/lawsui...cbo=v2-gXlIl0H

Who else was wondering when this was going to happen?

I came across this story this morning. Seems like there are more details here: https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/03...gender-member/

[jbakajp]

Originally Posted by jbakajp

Some members of the KKG chapter at University of Wyoming are suing their national president and organization for "betray[ing] the central purpose and mission of Kappa Kappa Gamma by conflating the experience of being a woman with the experience of men engaging in behavior generally associated with women."

Sorry to be quoting myself, but I wanted to post an update to lawsuit status:

https://www.thecollegefix.com/sorori...e-male-member/

The article has a link to the actual, amended filing with the U.S. District Court, District of Wyoming.

While the filing is in the public domain, one thing that I would respectfully request is for the GreekChat community to refrain from using the names of the people involved on both sides of the lawsuit. We all have usernames that protect our anonymity, so it would be fair and in the Panhellenic spirit to share that grace with the members of KKG as best we can. Thank you.

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by bevinpiphi

They wouldn't know, per se...we don't ask for birth certificates, so it's all down to disclosure...and I feel like that gets sticky. The qualification for memberships in many organizations is, "are you a woman?" and since trans women are women...

After reading the article with the Kappa lawsuit, I'd say an erection is definitely a sign that this person should not have been pledged in the first place. Add the 1.9 GPA, and I'm vey surprised that he even got a bid!

[carnation]

Originally Posted by honeychile

After reading the article with the Kappa lawsuit, I'd say an erection is definitely a sign that this person should not have been pledged in the first place. Add the 1.9 GPA, and I'm vey surprised that he even got a bid!

This whole thing is so gross.

[DGTess]

Originally Posted by honeychile

After reading the article with the Kappa lawsuit, I'd say an erection is definitely a sign that this person should not have been pledged in the first place. Add the 1.9 GPA, and I'm vey surprised that he even got a bid!

One of the stories (perhaps more; I didn't read more) strongly indicated pressure from a national and/or alumnae group. Sadly, many of our collegians don't know how to say "no" to that kind of pressure, even if it's a person they wouldn't otherwise choose to pledge.

Without knowing other groups' policies, I do know Delta Gamma reserves new member selection for collegians. It's an honor and a privilege reserved for them, but in my (very limited) experience, it's not often stressed.