Who Has Removed Preferential Treatment for Legacies?

[carnation]

Looks like they haven't voted on it yet but it will results in a biiig money loss.

Here's where i see it hurting chapters. Several of us have worked hard to get fantastic rural girls noticed at big schools with competitive rushes. If this passes, chapters won't be accepting letters of recommendation, which were getting these girls noticed. Now, the girls who are most likely to get in will be the girls they knew ahead of time. As always.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by carnation

Looks like they haven't voted on it yet but it will results in a biiig money loss.

Here's where i see it hurting chapters. Several of us have worked hard to get fantastic rural girls noticed at big schools with competitive rushes. If this passes, chapters won't be accepting letters of recommendation, which were getting these girls noticed. Now, the girls who are most likely to get in will be the girls they knew ahead of time. As always.

Couldn't agree more. Strong recruiting chapters know people, and will ONLY pull from those cities where their people are from. Before they would take a look at the girls from smaller towns that have recs. How will those girls get noticed in these huge chapters?

Weaker recruiting chapters won't have a compass of sorts (RIF/Rec/Letter of Support) to even know who to look out for. I think those chapters will be the ones hurt most by this, which is a shame.

If I understood it correctly, the legacy policy will change now without the need for vote at convention. It's the RIF/Alumnae support stuff that has to go before a vote?

[carnation]

Not sure. The grand statement "chapters will not accept letters or recs anymore" will bite their butts harder than the legacy policy will, because if chapters want to keep inviting certain legacies back, they will. The statement loftily says that chapters may do that, lol, like they weren't going to.

These recs did not keep unknown girls out, rather they got them in by making them known. Do you know how hard it is to get a girl noticed in UGa recruitment? I've had all these fabulous rural students who had everything going for them--except nobody knew them. Kiss of death in Athens.

By refusing to take recs, Pi Phi, and other groups, also seem to be urging chapters to pledge women nobody knows. That's a great way to pledge someone who'll be the one to make your chapter go viral because she makes a drunk or naked or racist video. If people didn't want recommendations, they wouldn't use Consumer Reports or other ratings on various sites.

So a PNM is cute and has a 4.0? Let's pledge her, without any knowledge of her character! Let's turn down letters that tell about what she's like! Let's go into this blind and shoot ourselves in the foot!

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by carnation

Not sure. The grand statement "chapters will not accept letters or recs anymore" will bite their butts harder than the legacy policy will, because if chapters want to keep inviting certain legacies back, they will. The statement loftily says that chapters may do that, lol, like they weren't going to.

These recs did not keep unknown girls out, rather they got them in by making them known. Do you know how hard it is to get a girl noticed in UGa recruitment? I've had all these fabulous rural students who had everything going for them--except nobody knew them. Kiss of death in Athens.

By refusing to take recs, Pi Phi, and other groups, also seem to be urging chapters to pledge women nobody knows. That's a great way to pledge someone who'll be the one to make your chapter go viral because she makes a drunk or naked or racist video. If people didn't want recommendations, they wouldn't use Consumer Reports or other ratings on various sites.

So a PNM is cute and has a 4.0? Let's pledge her, without any knowledge of her character! Let's turn down letters that tell about what she's like! Let's go into this blind and shoot ourselves in the foot!

All of this! What about the girl that every adult knows cheated on her SATs but that's not exactly something that shows up on the Panhellenic form? Or is cute and smart but a total jackhole to people she thinks are beneath her?

[GoldenAnchor]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

Or is cute and smart but a total jackhole to people she thinks is beneath her?

Sometimes these are the exact people that recommendation letters serve to benefit though so I’m not sure that’s a strong enough argument for me to want to defend them.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by GoldenAnchor

Sometimes these are the exact people that recommendation letters serve to benefit though so I’m not sure that’s a strong enough argument for me to want to defend them.

LOL - Fair enough, but I do think there are esoteric reasons for a recommendation (or non-recommendation).

[naraht]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

LOL - Fair enough, but I do think there are esoteric reasons for a recommendation (or non-recommendation).

By esoteric, you mean something in the Ritual of a particular GLO?

[Benzgirl]

Originally Posted by GoldenAnchor

Sometimes these are the exact people that recommendation letters serve to benefit though so I’m not sure that’s a strong enough argument for me to want to defend them.

My exact thoughts.

[APhi2KD]

Originally Posted by carnation

By refusing to take recs, Pi Phi, and other groups, also seem to be urging chapters to pledge women nobody knows. That's a great way to pledge someone who'll be the one to make your chapter go viral because she makes a drunk or naked or racist video. If people didn't want recommendations, they wouldn't use Consumer Reports or other ratings on various sites.

AND this is on top of the almost instant Initiation.

If they really, truly want to do away with recs but know the women they extend bids to, one solution would be Spring Recruitment with several pre-Recruitment gatherings in the first semester. But, Lolol, right?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

Couldn't agree more. Strong recruiting chapters know people, and will ONLY pull from those cities where their people are from. Before they would take a look at the girls from smaller towns that have recs. How will those girls get noticed in these huge chapters?

Weaker recruiting chapters won't have a compass of sorts (RIF/Rec/Letter of Support) to even know who to look out for. I think those chapters will be the ones hurt most by this, which is a shame.

This sums it all up.

The next thing to go, of course, will be quota/total. And then either the 3 most popular chapters will be the only ones left standing or else it’ll be a random lottery to make the chapters as indistinguishable from each other as possible and choosing members will disappear.

I can just hear (read?) Titchou telling me that I’m being over the top and reactionary. I certainly hope that she is right.

[carnation]

Ask me what it was like the year that Shorter required that every PNM get a bid.

[AOIIalum]

Originally Posted by carnation

Ask me what it was like the year that Shorter required that every PNM get a bid.

Oh my, I remember that story. What a nightmare. Wasn't that still when Shorter was all local sororities?

[carnation]

It was the last year. I think that the debacle precipitated the college's demand that all go national.