Another School, Another Mass Fraternity Suspension

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by Kevin

We've been asking that of fraternities since they've existed. Why think that 18-21 year olds of this generation are suddenly going to be different/better?

Because I keep hoping your alums would get the message

[navane]

Originally Posted by News Article

According to a close friend, it was a six foot drop that led to a head injury. The friend said she went over to his room, and put him back in bed that night. When she checked on him Thursday morning, Hernandez was reportedly foaming at the mouth with purple lips and yellowing-skin.

Wait.......what? A drunk man falls out of a 6-ft high bunk bed. His female friend "put him back in bed" and then checked on him the next morning? How in the world did one young woman get a drunk man back into his bed, getting him 6ft back up off the ground? Was she alone with him or did someone help her lift him up off the ground? Even if she placed him back in the lower bed, that's still an effort. Did she witness his fall out of bed? Did she see or hear him hit his head on the way down? Did she not decide to call 911 or for an R.A. or somebody?

The original news article says he was injured at a fraternity event. Was he injured there or in his room? I don't understand the facts surrounding this situation.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Because I keep hoping your alums would get the message

What's that supposed to mean? Our alumni are responsible for ensuring that 18-21 year old adults refrain from irresponsible alcohol use? Where has that ever been accomplished? Scientology?

It's bad enough that NPC groups push all of the liability for college partying onto fraternities, but to tut tut us about our alumni not getting the message is a bit beyond the pale. If all fraternal organizations adopted the alcohol policies of the NPC, I doubt many of our organizations would be around in 10 years time.

Alcohol isn't our raison d'etre, but it's part of college life and has been in U.S./European culture since college life existed.

[Rod D]

Originally Posted by Kevin

What's that supposed to mean? Our alumni are responsible for ensuring that 18-21 year old adults refrain from irresponsible alcohol use? Where has that ever been accomplished? Scientology?

It's bad enough that NPC groups push all of the liability for college partying onto fraternities, but to tut tut us about our alumni not getting the message is a bit beyond the pale. If all fraternal organizations adopted the alcohol policies of the NPC, I doubt many of our organizations would be around in 10 years time.

Alcohol isn't our raison d'etre, but it's part of college life and has been in U.S./European culture since college life existed.

The banning of kegs led to the use of hard liquor and thereby a doubling of the death rate in Greek organizations. Adults always forget about the unintended consequences of their actions. "Banning" hard liquor hasn't worked, as bans frequently do not.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by Kevin

What's that supposed to mean? Our alumni are responsible for ensuring that 18-21 year old adults refrain from irresponsible alcohol use? Where has that ever been accomplished? Scientology?

It's bad enough that NPC groups push all of the liability for college partying onto fraternities, but to tut tut us about our alumni not getting the message is a bit beyond the pale. If all fraternal organizations adopted the alcohol policies of the NPC, I doubt many of our organizations would be around in 10 years time.

Alcohol isn't our raison d'etre, but it's part of college life and has been in U.S./European culture since college life existed.

We haven't pushed it off on the fraternities. We've just said not in the house. And I pledged in 1963 and we didn't have it back then so this isn't a recent event. There are plenty of NPC events where alcohol is served. You just have them elsewhere, with chaperones, bartenders, etc., Will it stop everything? No -but far more of it than today.