University of Alabama NPC recruitment 2019 thread

[Alabama_Mama_2]

Panhellenic numbers...
2281 registered
2239 showed up for Day 1
2007 got bids today
So 232 either dropped or were released


Quota was 106, with secondary quota (upperclass students) at 5.

[Sororitysock]

Originally Posted by Alabama_Mama_2

Quota was 106, with secondary quota (upperclass students) at 5.

People really need to look hard at that secondary quota number. I keep hearing "rushing as an upperclassman is so much easier because of the secondary quota" poppycock more and more frequently. At Alabama, a school so competitive that secondary quotas might as well have been named after them, secondary quota was less than 5% of primary quota. That's not because there weren't many upperclassmen rushing. I hope that those that need it will let that statistic sink in.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by Sororitysock

People really need to look hard at that secondary quota number. I keep hearing "rushing as an upperclassman is so much easier because of the secondary quota" poppycock more and more frequently. At Alabama, a school so competitive that secondary quotas might as well have been named after them, secondary quota was less than 5% of primary quota. That's not because there weren't many upperclassmen rushing. I hope that those that need it will let that statistic sink in.

Actually that number is based on how many upperclass women turned in a signed MRABA...so it is based on the number of upperclass women in recruitment at that point...just like freshman quota is based on the number of freshman doing same....

[navane]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Actually that number is based on how many upperclass women turned in a signed MRABA...so it is based on the number of upperclass women in recruitment at that point...just like freshman quota is based on the number of freshman doing same....

But the chapters still have to carry those upperclass women to the end of recruitment, yes? It seems to me that, if they weren't as keen on pledging upperclass women, they could simply release those women earlier in the game.

[Sororitysock]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Actually that number is based on how many upperclass women turned in a signed MRABA...so it is based on the number of upperclass women in recruitment at that point...just like freshman quota is based on the number of freshman doing same....

I am well aware of how RFM works and quota is calculated.

Originally Posted by navane

But the chapters still have to carry those upperclass women to the end of recruitment, yes? It seems to me that, if they weren't as keen on pledging upperclass women, they could simply release those women earlier in the game.

Yes, this. Plus a large factor is the upperclassman PNM dropout rate before they even get to preference, because it turns out that upperclassman recruitment isn't easier and Top Tier Tau and Phrat Phavorite Phi still dropped them.

Maybe it's easier to look at it this way. There are 17 sororities that participate in primary recruitment at Alabama. That means roughly 85 women categorized as upperclassmen received bids (17 x 5). Do we really believe there were anywhere near as few as 85 upperclassman PNMs in that group of 2239 who showed up for the first day of recruitment? I would love to see that number.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by Sororitysock

People really need to look hard at that secondary quota number. I keep hearing "rushing as an upperclassman is so much easier because of the secondary quota" poppycock more and more frequently. At Alabama, a school so competitive that secondary quotas might as well have been named after them, secondary quota was less than 5% of primary quota. That's not because there weren't many upperclassmen rushing. I hope that those that need it will let that statistic sink in.

Originally Posted by Titchou

Actually that number is based on how many upperclass women turned in a signed MRABA...so it is based on the number of upperclass women in recruitment at that point...just like freshman quota is based on the number of freshman doing same....

Originally Posted by navane

But the chapters still have to carry those upperclass women to the end of recruitment, yes? It seems to me that, if they weren't as keen on pledging upperclass women, they could simply release those women earlier in the game.

I'm trying to understand how this works here.

Example: There are 10 chapters. 1000 women sign up for recruitment. There are 900 freshmen and 100 upperclassmen. The rounds go on, PNMs are cut, and remaining are 800 freshmen and 80 upperclassmen.

A combined quota would be 88 (800 freshman plus 80 upperclassmen divided by 10 chapters). But separate quotas would be 80 for the freshmen and 8 for the upperclassmen... which is still the same number.

So how is having an upperclassmen quota a benefit? Does it require a certain number of upperclassmen PNMs to be carried through each round?

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I'm trying to understand how this works here.

Example: There are 10 chapters. 1000 women sign up for recruitment. There are 900 freshmen and 100 upperclassmen. The rounds go on, PNMs are cut, and remaining are 800 freshmen and 80 upperclassmen.

A combined quota would be 88 (800 freshman plus 80 upperclassmen divided by 10 chapters). But separate quotas would be 80 for the freshmen and 8 for the upperclassmen... which is still the same number.

So how is having an upperclassmen quota a benefit? Does it require a certain number of upperclassmen PNMs to be carried through each round?

You are overlooking one important thing...the upperclassmen in a no UC quota situation will be dropped sooner because the groups want freshmen first as they will be in the chapter longer. So the UC women end up with fewer options and tend to drop out. That's why the separation came about -to give the UC PNMs a better -and fairer - chance.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by Titchou

You are overlooking one important thing...the upperclassmen in a no UC quota situation will be dropped sooner because the groups want freshmen first as they will be in the chapter longer. So the UC women end up with fewer options and tend to drop out. That's why the separation came about -to give the UC PNMs a better -and fairer - chance.

I guess I'm not understanding what you're saying here. I can't see why it's more fair for them.

If my math is correct, each chapter is gaining the same number of members, regardless of whether or not there is an upperclassmen quota, correct? And there's no obligation for the chapters to carry upperclassmen through to the next round, correct?

So how does having that quota benefit the upperclassmen, and for what reason are chapters carrying more upperclassmen forward with the separate quota?

If each chapter is gaining the same number of members either way, and they would prefer to have more freshmen, what is "forcing" them to take non-freshmen?