Phi Kappa Psi at U of Virginia Voluntarily Suspends Activities

[amIblue?]

What aoiwen needs to realize is that GC posters are supporters and cheerleaders of Greek Life. We are not the anti-Greek members of the public. If you find the need to defend the manner in which UVA mishandles allegations of rape, then you need to consider how egregious the circumstances are. I've said it before, but it is not up to any university to adjudicate any felony. There should be no such thing as a sexual misconduct board because these issues need to be handled by the legal system.

[Nanners52674]

It's a UVA problem and your argument is similar to the whole "well everyone was speeding so why am I getting a ticket?"

It's a lot like the you can't change anyone else you can only change yourself. UVA needs to stop focusing on making comparisons to other schools and work on their own problem.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

these issues need to be handled by the legal system.

And yet, we all know the legal system doesn't handle them either.

ETA: This article is in the context of the Canadian justice system, but it's pretty much the same thing as in the U.S.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/sandy-g...b_6059124.html

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

What aoiwen needs to realize is that GC posters are supporters and cheerleaders of Greek Life. We are not the anti-Greek members of the public. If you find the need to defend the manner in which UVA mishandles allegations of rape, then you need to consider how egregious the circumstances are. I've said it before, but it is not up to any university to adjudicate any felony. There should be no such thing as a sexual misconduct board because these issues need to be handled by the legal system.

Agree. It is like school systems are not permitted to adjudicate sexually misconduct against a child by a teacher. They have to call the police, report and let the legal system address it.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by cinder1965

Agree. It is like school systems are not permitted to adjudicate sexually misconduct against a child by a teacher. They have to call the police, report and let the legal system address it.

And they don't fire the teacher? Yes, yes they do. Institutions other than the legal system have their own rule sets and enforce consequences all of the time.

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

And they don't fire the teacher? Yes, yes they do. Institutions other than the legal system have their own rule sets and enforce consequences all of the time.

It depends. In a lot of cases they may not fire a teacher right away, they put them on administrative leave, etc. The school still has to report it to law enforcement and cooperate to make sure justice is done. So what is your point?

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by cinder1965

It depends. In a lot of cases they may not fire a teacher right away, they put them on administrative leave, etc. The school still has to report it to law enforcement and cooperate to make sure justice is done. So what is your point?

My point is that your example is a bad one. If a teacher is accused of molesting a student, the school doesn't just sit around doing nothing until there's a jury trial. Universities need to be empowered to take action to protect their students, just as elementary schools would.

And if you really think that law enforcement is a means by which rape victims get "justice," you should read up on what actually happens when a woman reports a rape to the cops.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

My point is that your example is a bad one. If a teacher is accused of molesting a student, the school doesn't just sit around doing nothing until there's a jury trial. Universities need to be empowered to take action to protect their students, just as elementary schools would.

Universities already are empowered and because of Tile IX, they are more empowered than primary and secondary schools. With Title IX investigations, they have a lower burden of proof to actually do something and relaxed rules of evidence. So much so that I think there are some Constitutional issues still.

When it is he said vs. she said, rape allegations are often not prosecuted. Schools under Tile IX still have lots of options.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Universities already are empowered and because of Tile IX, they are more empowered than primary and secondary schools. With Title IX investigations, they have a lower burden of proof to actually do something and relaxed rules of evidence. So much so that I think there are some Constitutional issues still.

When it is he said vs. she said, rape allegations are often not prosecuted. Schools under Tile IX still have lots of options.

I know. I was responding to a poster who said that universities should just kick it over to the criminal justice system. That's a bad idea; hence Title IX.

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

My point is that your example is a bad one. If a teacher is accused of molesting a student, the school doesn't just sit around doing nothing until there's a jury trial. Universities need to be empowered to take action to protect their students, just as elementary schools would.

And if you really think that law enforcement is a means by which rape victims get "justice," you should read up on what actually happens when a woman reports a rape to the cops.

MY point is that the university's options through Title IX have not been utilized by the administration to date. Please spare me your sarcasm and rudeness about how I should read up on what happens when a woman reports rape. I know what the hell happens thank you very much.

Any and all options should be utilized. Can't believe how this university and Greek are continually defended, so done with this thread. Peace out.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

And if you really think that law enforcement is a means by which rape victims get "justice," you should read up on what actually happens when a woman reports a rape to the cops.

I really respect you as a member but I'm incredibly bothered with your message. No one knows if someone has been raped and in a discussion about rape, to suggest to a woman that she has no idea what happens when a rape is reported is so far over the line. You have no idea who you're really saying this to. But if gosh forbid they happened to be a rape survivor you come off sounding like a hard assed bitch.

[33girl]

I know I'm about a hundred posts too late, but I still don't understand what Title IX has to do with rape and sexual assault.

[exlurker]

Ali Vitali – a Pi Phi* and a Tulane alumna -- comments on the UVA situation, a Greek life issues concerning rape and other sexual assaults, and her own -- revised -- view. She is on the MSNBC staff, so naturally her remarks are on an MSNBC site:

http://www.msnbc.com/krystal-clear/c...n-fraternities

*she mentions her arrow necklace

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

I've said it before, but it is not up to any university to adjudicate any felony. There should be no such thing as a sexual misconduct board because these issues need to be handled by the legal system.

Very often where there are cases of he said vs. she said and there's no physical evidence (as is often the case), guilty beyond a reasonable doubt isn't something a lot of prosecutors are confident they can achieve. These are mostly kids who have the sorts of families who can hire good criminal defense attorneys who would typically be able to beat a lot of these kinds of cases where we just have the alleged victim's word.

That's why these Title IX panels were created in the first place. Sometimes the criminal justice system doesn't work.

Now I've read about cases (one might be this one) where the perp actually admitted to the tribunal that he raped or sexually assaulted someone and he was rewarded for his candor. That is particularly absurd. If the perp admits guilt, that needs to go straight to the police.

I am still squeamish about these Title IX panels and have my doubts as to the constitutionality of how they are conducted and especially as to the qualifications of the adjudicators of those tribunals, but I understand the good intentions behind them.

[Nanners52674]

I don't like how in interview clips I've seen UVA administrators seeming to place all the blame on Greek life. Yes Greek life is a big part of the problem, but it's just as important to focus on the administration and the University system as a whole. I get a feeling of UVA passing the buck.

Sexual assaults happen at schools without Greek life. Sexual assault happens at house parties, the bar, friends apartments etc...