Baby tests positive for illegal drugs? Arrest the mom.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

It's not a subset, it's probably more than half of the entire juvenile system. Again, your lack of information here is amusing.

Again, most of us across states (many attorneys included) who say we do work in the juvenile justice system are not talking about "victim services" (juveniles who are only victims). The primary emphasis of the juvenile justice system is juvenile offenders which makes juvenile victims a subset regardless of the comparative size of the services across states. If you don't know that, you are the one who lacks information.

Originally Posted by Kevin

And I never said they were unworthy of procreation, just that I hoped that if properly incentivized, some people who probably shouldn't reproduce might voluntarily sterilize.

When talking about these specific populations, only in your mind is there a difference between the bolded.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Again, most of us across states (many attorneys included) who say we do work in the juvenile justice system are not talking about "victim services" (juveniles who are only victims). The primary emphasis of the juvenile justice system is juvenile offenders which makes juvenile victims a subset regardless of the comparative size of the services across states. If you don't know that, you are the one who lacks information.

Again, unless this is just across all states but Oklahoma, what you just said is absolutely not true. There are far more resources dedicated to the deprived system in my state than the delinquent programs. I can't imagine it'd be different anywhere else.

When talking about these specific populations, only in your mind is there a difference between the bolded.

What specific populations have I talked about? I've only suggested people who want to be sterilized should have that option, it should be free and I'd love to see a subsidy paid as well. All of this other stuff you're making up in your head.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Again, unless this is just across all states but Oklahoma....

Apparently so...and OJJDP.

The amount of resources devoted to juvenile offenders as compared to juvenile victims across states isn't the point. The point is next time you say "juvenile justice system" either clarify you do work in "victim services" or don't be shocked if people think you work with offenders. Problem solved.

Originally Posted by Kevin

What specific populations have I talked about? I've only suggested people who want to be sterilized should have that option....

Stop being obtuse.