Alabama recruitment fall-out

[LAblondeGPhi]

Originally Posted by Hartofsec

Those numbers appear to be old stats regarding degree distribution by race – these may be more up-to-date and detailed:

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I feel like any racial barriers to the NPC recruitment process have been moved aside as much as is institutionally possible. The question I have raised, however, is . . . will this be enough to accomplish that goal?

This was a nice rebuttal, and I think we agree on more points than we disagree. The data I sourced was indeed a few years old, and it looks like ASU is getting *a little* more diverse, which is a good thing.

I'll still stand by AOII Angel's comment - in working with Southern California chapters, I have never seen race as a cut and dry issue to the point where chapters would feel ostracized for taking a particular PNM. I have never seen circumstances where chapters even knew if a PNM would be the "first" whatever pledged to their chapter.

However, I will concede that I have seen Greek communities start to take notice when a chapter starts to become "majority minority". Is this also a form of racism? Yes, I believe it is. It may not affect women so strongly at the individual level (as it appears is the case at Alabama), but in aggregate it still affects the population.

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by LAblondeGPhi

I'll still stand by AOII Angel's comment - in working with Southern California chapters, I have never seen race as a cut and dry issue to the point where chapters would feel ostracized for taking a particular PNM. I have never seen circumstances where chapters even knew if a PNM would be the "first" whatever pledged to their chapter.

I didn't challenge AOII Angel's comment about Southern California, but I would agree with her that racial diversity may be more common in smaller, newer chapters (likely with far smaller recruitments).

[LAblondeGPhi]

Originally Posted by Hartofsec

I didn't challenge AOII Angel's comment about Southern California, but I would agree with her that racial diversity may be more common in smaller, newer chapters (likely with far smaller recruitments).

Perhaps I'm just terrible at understanding your point, then, because this reads to me like a pretty clear rebuttal:

Originally Posted by Hartofsec

One point I have seen raised in this thread is that removing the possibility of exclusion based on race is not enough to integrate chapters (such as Alabama, for instance) - that more needs to be done to recruit AA members. This is a valid point considering the preparation necessary to participate in a recruitment of this nature.

I looked at the University of Maryland AOII facebook, and did not see AA members (and none among those in white dresses - are these new initiates?).

The Arizona State University Panhellenic Recruitment Guide doesn't reflect NPC chapter membership of AA women either:

http://asupan.com/wp-content/uploads...oklet20121.pdf

Just using those examples as you mentioned these states.

So I guess my question is -- what threshold of AA membership is considered "fully integrated" and sufficient to claim that a chapter is racially diverse?

Do these chapters actively recruit AA women? What have the chapters you advised done to address recruitment of potential members from diverse racial and socio-economic backgrounds?

We all might just be talking past one another at this point, anyway.

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by LAblondeGPhi

Perhaps I'm just terrible at understanding your point, then, because this reads to me like a pretty clear rebuttal:

I may have been terrible at making it -- I didn't challenge her comment in regard to Southern California.