Schools that need to open for NPC expansion

[Low D Flat]

I was just asking to see if it might be possible for a new group to buy/rent the DPhiE house, but it sounds like that's not in the cards. I know it's on Lumpkin, but that doesn't seem to be hurting AXO (or SDT, though that's a little bit apples and oranges).

[Xidelt]

Originally Posted by Low D Flat

I was just asking to see if it might be possible for a new group to buy/rent the DPhiE house, but it sounds like that's not in the cards. I know it's on Lumpkin, but that doesn't seem to be hurting AXO (or SDT, though that's a little bit apples and oranges).

I think just being in the proximity of Milledge or campus is helpful. There are a couple of apartment complexes down in the Five Points area. Perhaps purchasing one of those and re-purposing it as a Greek house might be an option.

[pinksequins]

For those in the know about TCU, what is the percentage of female undergrads who are in a sorority (NPC, NPHC, multi-cultural)? Is it near what may be thought of as a saturation point? Or is the approach more of reducing total/quota without necessarily affecting the percentage of undergrads who are members? I think that is what you are suggesting ComradesTrue. TCU is not a large school. The same thing strikes me about Sacred Heart. It too is not a large school. It is not as if 80 percent of the undergrad classes are unaffiliated from which to populate a colony.

Clemsongirl, thank you for the update. I too noticed that the village plans were no longer on the website.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by pinksequins

For those in the know about TCU, what is the percentage of female undergrads who are in a sorority (NPC, NPHC, multi-cultural)? Is it near what may be thought of as a saturation point? Or is the approach more of reducing total/quota without necessarily affecting the percentage of undergrads who are members? I think that is what you are suggesting ComradesTrue. TCU is not a large school. The same thing strikes me about Sacred Heart. It too is not a large school. It is not as if 80 percent of the undergrad classes are unaffiliated from which to populate a colony.

Clemsongirl, thank you for the update. I too noticed that the village plans were no longer on the website.

The Panhellenic site for TCU states that 46% of undergraduate women are in sororities. I don't know if that is just NPC, or all sororities.

[ComradesTrue]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

The Panhellenic site for TCU states that 46% of undergraduate women are in sororities. I don't know if that is just NPC, or all sororities.

My understanding from reading the Panhellenic website that the 46% reflects just NPC. That also aligns with figures that I have heard that "over half the women at TCU are Greek." However, there would still be enough of a pool for a least a couple new groups.

I just read all the Panhellenic minutes, located here, from last semester. Nowhere in any of the minutes is there discussion about extension. I can't get the links for this semester to work.

[amIblue?]

Haven't some of the fraternities lost houses at UGA due to growth of the university? A former coworker's son's fraternity lost theirs for this reason, and they weren't the only one. Michael Adams was not popular in their family for this among other reasons.

[Xidelt]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Haven't some of the fraternities lost houses at UGA due to growth of the university? A former coworker's son's fraternity lost theirs for this reason, and they weren't the only one. Michael Adams was not popular in their family for this among other reasons.

Yes. They bought some of the houses on Lumpkin to expand the library and business school. I think it was one of those situations where the university owned the land and the GLO the house. Displaced fraternities were offered a new university owned house on River Road. I believe three fraternities are located over there. But the university owns the house and it is treated similarly to a residence hall. A fraternity member must be an RA, etc. So not all of the fraternities took the university up on the offer. They wanted more autonomy. I can't say I blame them.

Adams was a jerk. I'm so glad to see him gone. All he was interested in was building more sidewalks and fountains and raising tons of money. He wanted to cram as many students as possible into the university, but not invest in personnel. He never hired professors to keep up with the large increase in the student body. It was more important to build signs and green space. I swore he would never get a red cent of my money. And he didn't. I've only now just begun to donate again when the new president took over.

[pinksequins]

Thanks, Irishpipes. The TCU percentage is lower than I had imagined. There is room both to reduce chapter size and increase participation.

[maconmagnolia]

I don't think Mizzou should open for expansion right now, as there is a house on campus that has a tough time meeting quota every year and a few houses on campus that are constantly COBing to keep themselves total. I think Mizzou should focus on building up our current houses before we expand!

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by maconmagnolia

I don't think Mizzou should open for expansion right now, as there is a house on campus that has a tough time meeting quota every year and a few houses on campus that are constantly COBing to keep themselves total. I think Mizzou should focus on building up our current houses before we expand!

Total should be average chapter size. So, at every school there will be some chapters below total. That doesn't mean total isn't higher than chapters would prefer. Total at Mizzou is VERY high - one of the highest in the nation.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

Total should be average chapter size. So, at every school there will be some chapters below total. That doesn't mean total isn't higher than chapters would prefer. Total at Mizzou is VERY high - one of the highest in the nation.

Agreed, but if there is a lot of variance among chapters, that could be a bad sign.

[ASUADPi]

Virginia Commonwealth- we are still waiting to colonize. Originally we were supposed to colonize, in I believe, fall 2012. It was then pushed back to spring 2013. We still haven't colonized, which means the chapters who were scheduled to colonize after us have also been pushed back.

University of Arizona- one thing standing in the way with expansion there is the housing. All UA chapters have houses. Now it has been 4-5 years since I have been on the campus, but space for housing is a bit limited. Chi Omega and Sigma Kappa weren't housed on the same "row" as the other chapters. Chi Omega got a new house on the "row" in 1998. Sigma Kappa was located quite a bit farther than the other houses, I believe their new house was built around 2008-2009. Alpha Chi, well if they did what we did (renting their house to the university) had a house ready to go.

Now one thing that could possibly be done, if the university does open for expansion, a sorority could buy one of the fraternity house where the chapter has left campus and fix it up and now you have a house, but that is also expensive. ADPi spent a over 1 million to get our house updated for our recolonization in 2008.

Also, what is the deal with Arizona State. I haven't lived in AZ in 4-5 years so I'm out of the loop.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

Virginia Commonwealth- we are still waiting to colonize. Originally we were supposed to colonize, in I believe, fall 2012. It was then pushed back to spring 2013. We still haven't colonized, which means the chapters who were scheduled to colonize after us have also been pushed back.

With Fall 2011 Zeta Tau Alpha colony and Spring 2012 Alpha Xi Delta colony, I can see where Alpha Delta Pi's colony was moved from Fall 2012.

Does Phi Sigma Sigma have absolute recolonization time of 2015, or can they (with ADPi, Kappa Delta, and Gamma Phi Beta) be pushed forward, too?

And when will birthrate numbers finally catch-up to the campus, causing lower CT and new member numbers? Will lower numbers even matter (housing/no housing)?

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

With Fall 2011 Zeta Tau Alpha colony and Spring 2012 Alpha Xi Delta colony, I can see where Alpha Delta Pi's colony was moved from Fall 2012.

Does Phi Sigma Sigma have absolute recolonization time of 2015, or can they (with ADPi, Kappa Delta, and Gamma Phi Beta) be pushed forward, too?

And when will birthrate numbers finally catch-up to the campus, causing lower CT and new member numbers? Will lower numbers even matter (housing/no housing)?

Wait, so VCU originally had them stacked like this:

fall 2011 ZTA
spring 2012 AxiD
fall 2012 ADPi
spring 2013 KD
fall 2013 Gamma Phi
2015 Phi Sig

Well that was just stupid. Each colony should be at least a year apart from the other one. They are already 2 years behind with the ADPi colony.

I wonder if ADPi or any of the other chapters will just "pull out" due to how long it is taking.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

Wait, so VCU originally had them stacked like this:

fall 2011 ZTA
spring 2012 AxiD
fall 2012 ADPi
spring 2013 KD
fall 2013 Gamma Phi
2015 Phi Sig

Well that was just stupid. Each colony should be at least a year apart from the other one. They are already 2 years behind with the ADPi colony.

I wonder if ADPi or any of the other chapters will just "pull out" due to how long it is taking.

And let's not forget that AOII colonized in 2008 and AEPhi in 2009.