Indiana University 2014 Recruitment

[Indiana mom]

Why would a sorority not pick a woman who went through all the trouble to rush over someone who didn't even go through recruitment. That really is allowed? Very disappointing .

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[Mom64]

Originally Posted by Indiana mom

Why would a sorority not pick a woman who went through all the trouble to rush over someone who didn't even go through recruitment. That really is allowed? Very disappointing .

Just spoke with my daughter, she seems to think that this woman didn't have the grades to rush but could be given a spot through informal recruitment.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Indiana mom

Why would a sorority not pick a woman who went through all the trouble to rush over someone who didn't even go through recruitment. That really is allowed? Very disappointing .

Because they 1) are embarrassed at not meeting their quota and don't want to publicize that further by holding open parties; 2) they only have one or two open spots and holding open parties would be a giant waste of time and get up way too many women's hopes for just one or two spots. In this case, it's much much much easier to bid a woman who is known by a majority of the chapter. There's no problem with someone coming in late and feeling out of place if she already knows the sisters. This happens at ALL schools, not just Evil Awful IU.

ETA: There is no concrete evidence that you don't need the same grades to get an open bid. That is a rumor. No national HQ is going to be OK with a woman who has a 2.0 getting a bid, ANY bid, when there are tons of women with 3.5s and above rushing, no matter if every single sister in the chapter knows her.

[blueiumom]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Because they 1) are embarrassed at not meeting their quota and don't want to publicize that further by holding open parties; 2) they only have one or two open spots and holding open parties would be a giant waste of time and get up way too many women's hopes for just one or two spots. In this case, it's much much much easier to bid a woman who is known by a majority of the chapter. There's no problem with someone coming in late and feeling out of place if she already knows the sisters. This happens at ALL schools, not just Evil Awful IU.

ETA: There is no concrete evidence that you don't need the same grades to get an open bid. That is a rumor. No national HQ is going to be OK with a woman who has a 2.0 getting a bid, ANY bid, when there are tons of women with 3.5s and above rushing, no matter if every single sister in the chapter knows her.

I'm hearing this same thing from my daughter. This is a girl with very close ties to the house who apparently did not make grades for formal rush. Keep in mind all the chapters at IU have grade requirements for formal rush that are not only higher than IU's Panhellenic requirements but also much higher than the national chapters' requirements. I have no idea whether this is somehow allowed within the rules, but I can see how it might technically be just fine if her grades met the Panhellenic and national chapter standards. I know it's hard to stomach, (it definitely caused a stir with my daughter just as she is starting to heal from all this) but I get it. I think it was a unique situation.

This whole thing has been such a fiasco, I'm just not willing to get all bent out of shape about 1 or 2 girls.....

[Mom64]

Originally Posted by blueiumom

I'm hearing this same thing from my daughter. This is a girl with very close ties to the house who apparently did not make grades for formal rush. Keep in mind all the chapters at IU have grade requirements for formal rush that are not only higher than IU's Panhellenic requirements but also much higher than the national chapters' requirements. I have no idea whether this is somehow allowed within the rules, but I can see how it might technically be just fine if her grades met the Panhellenic and national chapter standards. I know it's hard to stomach, (it definitely caused a stir with my daughter just as she is starting to heal from all this) but I get it. I think it was a unique situation.

This whole thing has been such a fiasco, I'm just not willing to get all bent out of shape about 1 or 2 girls.....

My daughter heard the same story. She and I just want this whole "fiasco" to be over.

I do wonder why have standards, if there are ways to "hold spots" (daughter's words) for girls who do not meet these standards.

I do not know all the rules but my daughter is aware of two girls approached yesterday by the same house about accepting a bid to a house and they did. Are these consider snap bids? If it's not, I thought informal rush was not beginning until after the new colonization.

For those who have no compassion for girls who didn't maximize their bids or withdrew because they didn't play according to the rules, please note that it doesn't seem all the chapters are either.

It may happen all over but at IU the competition is fierce enough among the girls meeting grade standards, going through formal rush and playing by the rules.

[ForeverRoses]

Originally Posted by Mom64

My daughter heard the same story. She and I just want this whole "fiasco" to be over.

I do wonder why have standards, if there are ways to "hold spots" (daughter's words) for girls who do not meet these standards.

I do not know all the rules but my daughter is aware of two girls approached yesterday by the same house about accepting a bid to a house and they did. Are these consider snap bids? If it's not, I thought informal rush was not beginning until after the new colonization.

For those who have no compassion for girls who didn't maximize their bids or withdrew because they didn't play according to the rules, please note that it doesn't seem all the chapters are either.

It may happen all over but at IU the competition is fierce enough among the girls meeting grade standards, going through formal rush and playing by the rules.

Yes those are snap bids. Does your daughter know if those two girls attended pref at that house?

Contrary to what has been posted regarding snap bids-- last year there was a requirement that snap bids only go to women that attended preference ( at least for the first week or two following recruitment). The was set by Panhellenic.

[Mom64]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoses

Yes those are snap bids. Does your daughter know if those two girls attended pref at that house?

Contrary to what has been posted regarding snap bids-- last year there was a requirement that snap bids only go to women that attended preference ( at least for the first week or two following recruitment). The was set by Panhellenic.

I do not believe that one of the girls did and unsure of the other. But if you had to have attended preference, how did a girl get a bid who never participated in formal recruitment?

These rules seem arbitrary at best and maybe that's what it's supposed to be. I find the saying "mutual selection" to be highly overstated. PNMs really have no say in the selection process.

[ForeverRoses]

Originally Posted by Mom64

I do not believe that one of the girls did and unsure of the other. But if you had to have attended preference, how did a girl get a bid who never participated in formal recruitment?

These rules seem arbitrary at best and maybe that's what it's supposed to be. I find the saying "mutual selection" to be highly overstated. PNMs really have no say in the selection process.

That is what I was trying to figure out. One thing about Panhellenic at IU is that it is completely student run. The Greek life office staff try and let the students run it as much as possible. Unfortunately this means they are not always consistent from year to year. Not all of the rules and regulations always clear ( so I was under the impression that the rule about having to attend preference was still in effect).

As for the girl that had three pref parties and dropped? Honestly I would rather she dropped then than wait and drop on bid day or after. At least this way she didn't take a bid and drop-- because even if that spot was filled with a snap bid later, the snap bid didn't get to experience bid night and probably felt the sting of no bid after pref.

[KDCat]

Originally Posted by Mom64

My daughter heard the same story. She and I just want this whole "fiasco" to be over.

I do wonder why have standards, if there are ways to "hold spots" (daughter's words) for girls who do not meet these standards.

I do not know all the rules but my daughter is aware of two girls approached yesterday by the same house about accepting a bid to a house and they did. Are these consider snap bids? If it's not, I thought informal rush was not beginning until after the new colonization.

For those who have no compassion for girls who didn't maximize their bids or withdrew because they didn't play according to the rules, please note that it doesn't seem all the chapters are either.

It may happen all over but at IU the competition is fierce enough among the girls meeting grade standards, going through formal rush and playing by the rules.

You have no information beyond rumors that chapters have broken any rules. Rumors fly like crazy during recruitment and afterwards and 99% of them are wrong.

Snap bids are within the rules. They are designed to let chapters pick up women who rushed and were not given bids. They are designed to help women like your daughter.

I know you and your daughter are feeling raw. I'm sorry that IU is so messed up. The chapters aren't cheating, though.