Arizona State University - TKE

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

One incident or even a few =/= a prevalence.

Has there only been one "or even a few" of these incidents across the country in the past 5 years?

Incidents are examined in prevalence when there is a pattern of occurrence. It is easy to predict and detect racially themed parties with and without social media. Even a Greekchat search for "racially themed patterns" reveals how these parties are more common than they should be and that includes MLK parties.

Originally Posted by Kevin

TKE did something very ill advised, Alpha Delta Phi, Alpha Sigma Phi, Chi Phi, Delta Chi, Delta Kappa Epsilon, Delta Sigma Phi, Delta Tau Delta, Delta Upsilon, Kappa Alpha Order, Kappa Sigma, Lambda Chi Alpha, Omega Delta Phi, Phi Gamma Delta (FIJI), Pi Kappa Alpha, Pi Kappa Phi Sigma Alpha Mu, Sigma Chi, Sigma Phi Beta, Sigma Phi Epsilon, Sigma Tau Gamma, Theta Chi, Theta Delta Chi and Zeta Beta Tau did no such thing.

TKE is not the only fraternity (or white people in general) across the country that has done one of these parties.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Has there only been one "or even a few" of these incidents across the country in the past 5 years?

Incidents are examined in prevalence when there is a pattern of occurrence. It is easy to predict and detect racially themed parties with and without social media. Even a Greekchat search for "racially themed patterns" reveals how these parties are more common than they should be and that includes MLK parties.



TKE is not the only fraternity (or white people in general) across the country that has done one of these parties.

I think if you want to know why this continues to occur, look at the comment section of the USA Today article about ASU shuttering the chapter. There are many racist people commenting that feel justified due to one or another slight that they list. I'll call their complaints "reverse racism" as it's what they used to lump all those complaints under. Anyway, some fraternities have always liked to push the taste edge to purposefully be controversial. Apparently they have found this to be very successful in that endeavor. TKE at ASU did a bang up job at it and some of their students may even get expelled. Actions have consequences.

[DrPhil]

Is it the newest USA Today article or the one from 2 days ago?

The newest:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...party/4811083/

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Has there only been one "or even a few" of these incidents across the country in the past 5 years?

Incidents are examined in prevalence when there is a pattern of occurrence. It is easy to predict and detect racially themed parties with and without social media. Even a Greekchat search for "racially themed patterns" reveals how these parties are more common than they should be and that includes MLK parties.

So it happens. So does hazing, every national organization forbids that. We also organizationally prohibit underage drinking. Obviously, the number of these parties occurring annually is zero. Obviously, we're going to fail every year as a society to get 100% of what we want. These things will happen and when members are caught, it's fair to judge the organizations by how they handle things.

TKE is not the only fraternity (or white people in general) across the country that has done one of these parties.

Not at all and it's going to continue to happen because I don't care how many classes you have on racial sensitivity, you're dealing with an age group which does impulsive, stupid things--and that's just simple biology.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

So it happens. Obviously, we're going to fail every year as a society to get 100% of what we want.

Congrats on solving the puzzle. What would the world do without you. You have won the White Privilege Award for the day.

Originally Posted by Kevin

and that's just simple biology.

No.

[Tom Earp]

What is it with ASU and Greeks?

Something in the air or a bunch of lemmings who just follow along to jump over the cliff trying to out do each other in stupidity??

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Congrats on solving the puzzle. What would the world do without you. You have won the White Privilege Award for the day.

Good thing I keep a siggy ready for just this thing!

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Congrats on solving the puzzle. What would the world do without you. You have won the White Privilege Award for the day.

This isn't only about race. Not everything is only about race.

[DrPhil]

And here I was thinking this was an SPSS regression model in which all other variables are controlled and only the effect of race on the outcome variable is being measured. Thanks for bringing me back to the reality of the complex social world. Tons of social dynamics and 7 billion people--I need to remember to stop believing that everything is ONLY about race just because race is a central or overarching theme. Whew! Thanks for finding my brain for me. You rock, White Privilege Award winner.

(Earlier Kevin claimed to have been saying that racially themed parties are essentially about race. Therefore, saying "so it happens...life's not perfect" is white privileged. If he said that to a person who is LGBTQ in response to a homophobic themed party that would be hetero-privilege. If he said that to a woman in response to a sexist-misogynist party would be male privilege. It is the ability as a member of the majority to say "shit happens...can't stop it...we have bigger fish to fry.")