Sororities and Feminism

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

I don't see how a gay person or a woman could be a Republican, but if you can compartmentalize the parts you disagree with and be happy with the party as a whole, then great. But you are definitely part of a small and shrinking minority and you might want to ponder the reasons for that. I mean, you might be able to compartmentalize "legitimate rape" but when those comments start accumulating onto a 2nd or 3rd hand, isn't it time to reconsider your loyalties? The same would be true on whether or not you think you are or should be a feminist.

AND THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. The Republican Party was not founded to politicize abortion, gay rights, etc....it was founded on the concept that less government = better. But nowadays way too many people take DS's attitude because the nuts (who are probably 5% of registered Republicans) have taken over the party and made themselves the spokespeople. Same with feminism.

[DubaiSis]

Originally Posted by 33girl

AND THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. The Republican Party was not founded to politicize abortion, gay rights, etc....it was founded on the concept that less government = better. But nowadays way too many people take DS's attitude because the nuts (who are probably 5% of registered Republicans) have taken over the party and made themselves the spokespeople. Same with feminism.

I agree. As a Democrat, I don't think it's my job to fix the Republican party (I'll let them implode on their own), but when they turned away from government and economy and toward invading your personal life, it was the beginning of the end for them. The good news (for them) is that the 2 major political parties swing in a pendulum. Most of what Democrats believe today is what Republicans of 30 years ago believed. They'll come around and the Democrats will end up having to find a way to re-define themselves.

I think "feminists" (in quotes because I am guessing what many people mean by the word) are having to shout from the mountain tops because basic rights that many of us thought was a done deal YEARS ago are back in play. I mean seriously, birth control? What else are they going to want to take back? Oh wait, voting rights is back in play too, so who knows what other basic freedoms are at risk.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

I agree. As a Democrat, I don't think it's my job to fix the Republican party (I'll let them implode on their own), but when they turned away from government and economy and toward invading your personal life, it was the beginning of the end for them. The good news (for them) is that the 2 major political parties swing in a pendulum. Most of what Democrats believe today is what Republicans of 30 years ago believed. They'll come around and the Democrats will end up having to find a way to re-define themselves.

I think "feminists" (in quotes because I am guessing what many people mean by the word) are having to shout from the mountain tops because basic rights that many of us thought was a done deal YEARS ago are back in play. I mean seriously, birth control? What else are they going to want to take back? Oh wait, voting rights is back in play too, so who knows what other basic freedoms are at risk.

You really don't see any meaningful distinction between having access to buying birth control yourself and compelling your employer to help buy it for you? Today's birth control debate seems pretty different to me that historical debate on the issue.

And by voting rights being back in play, you mean that you think that southern states should be under federal supervision forever in this area? Or do you having something else in mind?

Oh, DBB, great thread!

[squirrely girl]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

You really don't see any meaningful distinction between having access to buying birth control yourself and compelling your employer to help buy it for you?

I would agree today's debate on BC is different... but describing this debate as "compelling your employer to help buy it for you" is disingenuous at best. Major medical advisory groups have recommended birth control be considered preventative health care and per the Health Care Reform act, preventative care is to be covered by insurance without copay. Women pay their premiums just like men and it's about damn time their coverage actually met the unique needs of a female body instead of treating men's and women's bodies as "the same" by providing default male coverage for both... in other words, men's needs have been fully met for YEARS while women's needs are considered "extra." That's nowhere near equality. If employers are going to provide health insurance in lieu of wages that coverage should meet the actual health care needs of both sexes... not just one.

By the way, that mandate covers all FDA approved birth control and sterilization, thus men's vasectomies are covered without copay as well... yet interestingly nobody seems to be whining about men getting their snips covered... hmmmm...

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by squirrely girl

I would agree today's debate on BC is different... but describing this debate as "compelling your employer to help buy it for you" is disingenuous at best. Major medical advisory groups have recommended birth control be considered preventative health care and per the Health Care Reform act, preventative care is to be covered by insurance without copay. Women pay their premiums just like men and it's about damn time their coverage actually met the unique needs of a female body instead of treating men's and women's bodies as "the same" by providing default male coverage for both... in other words, men's needs have been fully met for YEARS while women's needs are considered "extra." That's nowhere near equality. If employers are going to provide health insurance in lieu of wages that coverage should meet the actual health care needs of both sexes... not just one.

By the way, that mandate covers all FDA approved birth control and sterilization, thus men's vasectomies are covered without copay as well... yet interestingly nobody seems to be whining about men getting their snips covered... hmmmm...

I suspect it's because fewer denominations object to sterilization as a method of birth control. Catholics aren't going to want to pay for that either.