School Shooting Newtown CT

[AGDLynn]

Sad that I work with a girl named Sandy Hooks. I googled the name and found others. Feel bad for them!

At least there isn't too many people with the name of "Columbine" and "9/11".

[Sadfly]

Why would do non-military people. need a high powered weapon that soldiers in Afghanistan use? Is Bambi really that threatening?

I am not asking about the "right"; I want to know the justification.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Sadfly

Why would do non-military people. need a high powered weapon that soldiers in Afghanistan use? Is Bambi really that threatening?

I am not asking about the "right"; I want to know the justification.

In this particular case, the majority of the killings were by a couple of handguns, not high powered rifles. It's a fundamental question of freedom here. Should there perhaps be some burden on gun owners to prove they are safe rather than a presumption that they are? Sure.

Should all guns be registered to their owners and owners be strictly liable for the damage their guns do? That'd be something to consider.

You can't take guns away from ordinary law abiding citizens though. Those of you on the East or West coast might not really understand what things are like in 'flyover country,' but out here many of us are basically responsible for our own security. If we call 911, a sheriff might be a couple of hours away or otherwise occupied. Having one of those high powered rifles could mean life or death.

And in more urban areas? Is contacting law enforcement going to do me any good when someone has kicked in my back door and is invading my home?

[DGTess]

Originally Posted by Sadfly

Why would do non-military people. need a high powered weapon that soldiers in Afghanistan use? Is Bambi really that threatening?

I am not asking about the "right"; I want to know the justification.

Short answer, no discussion from me.

It's not a question of "need". It's a creator-given right, to own a hunting rifle.

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by DGTess

Short answer, no discussion from me.

It's not a question of "need". It's a creator-given right, to own a hunting rifle.

Seriously?

[Tulip86]

Originally Posted by DGTess

Short answer, no discussion from me.

It's not a question of "need". It's a creator-given right, to own a hunting rifle.

Wow. Couldn't agree less.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by DGTess

Short answer, no discussion from me.

It's not a question of "need". It's a creator-given right, to own a hunting rifle.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/god...kill-rule,222/

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Quote:
Originally Posted by DGTess
Short answer, no discussion from me.

It's not a question of "need". It's a creator-given right, to own a hunting rifle.

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

http://www.theonion.com/articles/god...kill-rule,222/

I'm always amused by the God given right sentiment since I'm pretty sure God didn't write the 2nd amendment and guns weren't around at the time of the Bible.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I'm always amused by the God given right sentiment since I'm pretty sure God didn't write the 2nd amendment and guns weren't around at the time of the Bible.

Some folks apparently think this is a picture of the first presentation of the Bill of Rights.

[ZTAngel]

Hey NRA! Let us know when it's ok to start discussing gun control, ok? It's obvious that you're in charge here.

I'm am sickened and disgusted, and I'm angry. Those poor children whose last moments were spent in sheer terror. The parents whose hopes and dreams for their children disappeared in a matter of minutes. I really hope the country can finally have a productive discussion about how we can eliminate this from ever happening again. The CO theater massacre, the Sikh temple massacre, the mall shooting in OR.... I hope the NRA will stop blocking every discussion we have. Maybe the solution isn't gun control. Perhaps it's better access to mental health programs. But, until the NRA stops telling us we're not allowed to discuss a solution to this problem every time something like this happens, we are going to have more of these senseless killings. The blood is on the NRA's hands.

And I'm sick of religious zealots saying that owning a gun is a God-given right mandated by the bible. It's not. And you do a disservice to anyone innocently killed by a gun by streaming that line of bullshit.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by ZTAngel

Hey NRA! Let us know when it's ok to start discussing gun control, ok? It's obvious that you're in charge here.

I'm am sickened and disgusted, and I'm angry. Those poor children whose last moments were spent in sheer terror. The parents whose hopes and dreams for their children disappeared in a matter of minutes. I really hope the country can finally have a productive discussion about how we can eliminate this from ever happening again. The CO theater massacre, the Sikh temple massacre, the mall shooting in OR.... I hope the NRA will stop blocking every discussion we have. Maybe the solution isn't gun control. Perhaps it's better access to mental health programs. But, until the NRA stops telling us we're not allowed to discuss a solution to this problem every time something like this happens, we are going to have more of these senseless killings. The blood is on the NRA's hands.

Way to throw personal responsibility out the door. Blood is on the shooters hands. This was his decision, his actions. NRA isn't to blame, nor is an inanimate object (gun).

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DGTess

Short answer, no discussion from me.

It's not a question of "need". It's a creator-given right, to own a hunting rifle.

Whaaa? Where in the Bible does it say, "Thou shalt have a Baikal MR221?"

Look, I don't want to see guns banned, either. There's a reason we have a Second Amendment, and it's obvious that the Founding Fathers felt it important to include that in the Bill of Rights. I grew up around hunting, and I'm not afraid of guns. My nephew is 12 and has a hunting rifle, as well as a bow and arrow. He knows how to use them and he respects what they can do.

I just think what you said is not only incorrect, but a little overly emotional.

An attempt to ban guns would fail miserably. What would they do, seize all guns? Go through people's houses, conducting random firearm searches? (THAT would violate the Bill of Rights.) Not all firearms are registered, either. People inherit firearms from family members all the time.

If someone wants to have a gun, they're going to have a gun--regardless of whether or not it's illegal.* A member of my extended family was shot and killed earlier this year--by a 16 YEAR OLD IN A BOTCHED ROBBERY. This wasn't the inner city, and it wasn't a small town. I'm pretty sure gun banning wouldn't have prevented my relative's death. I'm pretty sure gun banning wouldn't have prevented what happened in CT, either. For the gunman, firearms were readily available--but he could have gotten them anywhere.

(*This clearly applies to many things, ranging from drugs to Kinder Surprises.)