Need some help here

[Kevin]

Yeah, I'm not clear as to whether he's looking to house anyone. I mean if he wants to go rent a suburban storefront and have that be a meeting place, I doubt he'd have any problems doing that.

If, on the other hand, he wants to house 20 people and have meeting space, that's a whole different ball of wax. I don't think he's being very clear as to what this alpha chapter even is... it's a student organization... but it's not. It's a fraternity, but they don't want to be recognized as one by the school.

And in my city, for Greek houses to fall under the Greek House exception in the city code, we have to live within certain boundaries and have to be recognized by the school.

[ΣKΞFounder]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Yeah, I'm not clear as to whether he's looking to house anyone. I mean if he wants to go rent a suburban storefront and have that be a meeting place, I doubt he'd have any problems doing that.

If, on the other hand, he wants to house 20 people and have meeting space, that's a whole different ball of wax. I don't think he's being very clear as to what this alpha chapter even is... it's a student organization... but it's not. It's a fraternity, but they don't want to be recognized as one by the school.

And in my city, for Greek houses to fall under the Greek House exception in the city code, we have to live within certain boundaries and have to be recognized by the school.

She and no, we will be requesting use of one of their buildings for meetings, and no we will not house nor do we want to. It's part of our constitution that houses not be required and no one be forced to live in house, if a house is so desired. We want to be recognized by the school, but they want us to change what makes us, us. Yes, there are all the requirements for a Fraternity there, but, they do not like our core constitution. It is nothing bad at all, and as a matter of fact, we believe they have a problem with it because we proved them wrong on a key point in their system that we believe is faulty. If you would like to know what it is you may message me, because for the most part, our constitution is not public. We do show it to those who inquire about it though because our constitution is not secret, but we don't advertise it either.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by ΣKΞFounder

She and no, we will be requesting use of one of their buildings for meetings, and no we will not house nor do we want to. It's part of our constitution that houses not be required and no one be forced to live in house, if a house is so desired. We want to be recognized by the school, but they want us to change what makes us, us. Yes, there are all the requirements for a Fraternity there, but, they do not like our core constitution. It is nothing bad at all, and as a matter of fact, we believe they have a problem with it because we proved them wrong on a key point in their system that we believe is faulty. If you would like to know what it is you may message me, because for the most part, our constitution is not public. We do show it to those who inquire about it though because our constitution is not secret, but we don't advertise it either.

Well good luck to all of you and congrats on the early strides. Don't fret too much about your Alpha Chapter. Sigma Nu's Alpha chapter was shuttered by the Virginia Military Institute when they banned fraternities in 1885 and we've done pretty well since then. Our Alpha chapter doesn't really function as a chapter though. It's more of an honorary organization which inducts the top Seniors in the Fraternity every year. Obtaining membership is kind of a big deal.

[Sen's Revenge]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Our Alpha chapter doesn't really function as a chapter though. It's more of an honorary organization which inducts the top Seniors in the Fraternity every year. Obtaining membership is kind of a big deal.

That's neat.

[ΣKΞFounder]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Well good luck to all of you and congrats on the early strides. Don't fret too much about your Alpha Chapter. Sigma Nu's Alpha chapter was shuttered by the Virginia Military Institute when they banned fraternities in 1885 and we've done pretty well since then. Our Alpha chapter doesn't really function as a chapter though. It's more of an honorary organization which inducts the top Seniors in the Fraternity every year. Obtaining membership is kind of a big deal.

That is a very neat idea. I have not really thought about maybe having an Alpha "chapter" as an honors chapter. If the community standing does not work, I might see about starting something similar as long as Sigma Nu does not take offense of us potentially starting something similar.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by ΣKΞFounder

That is a very neat idea. I have not really thought about maybe having an Alpha "chapter" as an honors chapter. If the community standing does not work, I might see about starting something similar as long as Sigma Nu does not take offense of us potentially starting something similar.

Pretty much all of us have stolen ideas from one another or from the Masons, etc. over the years. Not a big deal, IMHO.

[AOII Angel]

I'm confused as to what help you need. You haven't asked a question or expressed what this need is. We've gone around and around about a point that WE are confused about, but what exactly do YOU need help with?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I'm confused as to what help you need. You haven't asked a question or expressed what this need is. We've gone around and around about a point that WE are confused about, but what exactly do YOU need help with?

The first post (from December) originally asked for help about how to deal with the Greek Life Office and IFC. Some quotes from the original are left in my first post in the thread. But you'll notice the first post was edited two days ago, and that edit was basically a "never mind, we're seeking recognition from the town instead," which started the questions on our end.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

The first post (from December) originally asked for help about how to deal with the Greek Life Office and IFC. Some quotes from the original are left in my first post in the thread. But you'll notice the first post was edited two days ago, and that edit was basically a "never mind, we're seeking recognition from the town instead," which started the questions on our end.

I see we are still not back up to speed on QFPing. Thanks for catching me up.

[ΣKΞFounder]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I'm confused as to what help you need. You haven't asked a question or expressed what this need is. We've gone around and around about a point that WE are confused about, but what exactly do YOU need help with?

Sorry about the confusion! This is a really old post and I've been trying to just answer the questions others have about the changes.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by ΣKΞFounder

Yes, we have an adviser, yes we have a Greek affiliated person helping us, and like I said ALPHA chapter is the only chapter doing this. Beta is fully recognized and affiliated. Gamma colony will be the same, if it is opened. If it is opened, it will be when I travel to NY for spring break. We have tried, and tried with the school and they refuse to listen to us and we have been told to our faces that we aren't a real fraternity by Greek leaders here and mainly just because we are not part of any Nationals and have no "history". I pointed out to them that when their org started, they had no history and were probably not associated with any Nationals as well. And they usually walk away at that point. It's just a game of locals versus nationals here. So, like I said, JUST Alpha chapter having issues. And yes, we have help with everything we are doing by other, older, individuals who do know what we have to do. Just waiting on our Inc. papers....still....and we will be joining the NMGC within a few years after we get a few more chapters/colonies open because we will have to have more insurance when we join them.

We get that it's just Alpha chapter. What we're not understanding is the idea that a fraternity or sorority would be "recognized" by a muinicipality, unless "recognized" in this context means something different from what it means when a school recognizes a GLO.

As far the counter that other chapters on campus were probably not associated with national orgs when founded—maybe, maybe not. Unless the chapters started as locals that were absorbed by national groups, they likely started as colonies of national orgs.

[ΣKΞFounder]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

We get that it's just Alpha chapter. What we're not understanding is the idea that a fraternity or sorority would be "recognized" by a muinicipality, unless "recognized" in this context means something different from what it means when a school recognizes a GLO.

As far the counter that other chapters on campus were probably not associated with national orgs when founded—maybe, maybe not. Unless the chapters started as locals that were absorbed by national groups, they likely started as colonies of national orgs.

I meant when their org first started out, as in from the beginning, not the chapters. And what we mean by recognized is registered as a Non-profit with the town and recognized as such. (We are a non-profit GLO waiting for out Inc. papers, still.) And like I said we are also Multicultural and plan on joining NMGC when we expand more so we can afford the insurance we need. I've inquired about it and all chapters are ready to expand and grow. We are starting our own National chairs for our Fraternity this winter term. Positions and who won the election for those positions will be posted once it is determined.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by ΣKΞFounder

And what we mean by recognized is registered as a Non-profit with the town and recognized as such.

So simply registered as a non-profit org, not as a fraternity. That makes more sense. Thanks.

[Sen's Revenge]

And finally, ΣKΞFounder, this is not the forum to discuss your organization's aspirations or issues. Please send me a private message if you want, but I strongly advise you to not answer any more questions or ask for advice in this forum. Everyone here is not a friend.

[ΣKΞFounder]

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge

And finally, ΣKΞFounder, this is not the forum to discuss your organization's aspirations or issues. Please send me a private message if you want, but I strongly advise you to not answer any more questions or ask for advice in this forum. Everyone here is not a friend.

I noticed! Locals get a bad rep but I am perfectly happy with being who we are! I try not to post anything much on here anymore. But I will get on and browse/answer to a post if it needs to be addressed.