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09-04-2012, 05:28 PM
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Quota is not one fixed number at USC. I know of at least three different quota numbers for this year, not to mention the houses that were capped for dirty rushing.
I don't know why this is, and could not even begin to explain it, but that is how it is here.
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Every chapter should have the exact same quota. The difference in numbers would be in quota additions and snap bids.
Someone correct me but I believe Campus panhellenic can't punish a chapter by restricting membership. I think the moi has something against it.
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09-04-2012, 05:34 PM
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Quota is not one fixed number at USC. I know of at least three different quota numbers for this year, not to mention the houses that were capped for dirty rushing.
I don't know why this is, and could not even begin to explain it, but that is how it is here.
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This is not allowed by NPC. In fact, it is expressly forbidden in the MOI.
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09-04-2012, 05:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kaeb
Quota is not one fixed number at USC. I know of at least three different quota numbers for this year, not to mention the houses that were capped for dirty rushing.
I don't know why this is, and could not even begin to explain it, but that is how it is here.
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Could you please cite your sources for this information? Otherwise, I ask you to remove your post, and I will then delete my QFP. Because your post is, for lack of a better word, unsubstantiated information.
Giving you the benefit of the doubt: perhaps you do not completely understand quota? or the MOI?
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09-04-2012, 05:57 PM
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Small note here: Quota may be set as a range, per the RFM Specialist. Ex: a chapter I worked with used range set quota of 8-10.
Now I don't know about "capping" for dirty rushing. That is not allowed, per the MOI. No Panhellenic can stop a chapter from taking women as punishment for an infraction.
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09-04-2012, 06:02 PM
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Just so everyone can see that this is a Unanimous Agreement, from the MOI:
JURISDICTION OF PANHELLENIC ASSOCIATIONS
Panhellenic associations are based on democratic principles and organized to afford cooperation among the women’s fraternities. Panhellenic members shall respect and obey the letter and spirit of all National Panhellenic Conference unanimous agreements. Panhellenic associations’ constitutions and bylaws shall conform to all unanimous agreements.
1. College Panhellenic Associations
A. The administrative body of a College Panhellenic Association is a College Panhellenic Council.
B. A College Panhellenic Council shall be comprised of delegates selected by individual chapters from the NPC fraternities.
C. A College Panhellenic Council shall take no action that infringes on the sovereignty, rights, or privileges of the individual NPC fraternities. Infringements include but are not limited to the following:
i. Requiring fraternity chapters to maintain a specific scholastic grade point average.
ii. Requiring a scholastic grade point average as a condition for a chapter’s participation in membership recruitment.
iii. Requiring a scholastic grade point average as a condition for a woman’s participation in the membership recruitment process.
iv. Requiring a scholastic grade point average as a qualification for pledging or initiation.
v. Requiring fraternity chapters to maintain a minimum number of members.
vi. Surveying to collect data that reflects a chapter's internal information or requiring documents that are considered confidential material regarding the chapter's internal operations.
vii. Lowering a chapter’s quota as a penalty.
viii. Requiring a chapter’s Panhellenic delegate to be a specific chapter officer.
ix. Enacting a College Panhellenic governing document provision or sanction that infringes on the sovereignty, rights or privileges of the individual NPC fraternities.
x. Voting to contradict an NPC Unanimous Agreement.
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09-04-2012, 06:07 PM
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This all started with a talk of quota: Do we know what quota was at USC?
If so, the new member classes have been reported as follows:
Tri Delta: 90
Gamma Phi: approx. 88
Theta: 82
Pi Phi: 87
Any other numbers for the rest of the chapters? Thank you in advance.
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09-04-2012, 06:42 PM
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09-04-2012, 06:49 PM
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09-04-2012, 06:57 PM
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Quota is always a range. It is then narrowed to a set number by the RFM specialist assigned to the school and the Greek Adviser. It often can happen that top recruiting chapters take just quota and that other groups take 10-15% more making it look like the chapter with lower numbers did not make quota. But that is not the case. An example, a few years ago, quota was 24 at a school I have worked with. All the groups made exactly quota except for 1 who took 33. It looks as if 3 didn't make quota and one did. The fact was all made quota and ALL the quota additions went to the one group.
I could cite other examples too but suffice it to say that just because a group took the lowest number does not automatically mean they took less than quota.
And let me repeat, ALL chapters have the same quota. Period. End of story. No other way about it. Anything else and NPC would be on them like, as we say around these parts, white on rice. Your friends are giving you bad information - whether they are mkaing it up or just repeating something someone else has said. It may also be that they do not understand RFM any better than you do which can cause a lot of false assumptions.
I suggest you get a copy of the MOI, most likely available from the secure part of your national organization's web site, and read it = cover to cover. It will be enlightening. And then you can quota chapter and verse to your friends and ask that they explain themselves.
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09-04-2012, 07:06 PM
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I have friends on Panhellenic and who are RCs. I don't want to post their names because that doesn't seem fair to them.
So what I've posted is hearsay (from those friends), but I have no reason to believe it is not true.
Quota was also a range at USC last year.
I don't know about quota additions, but I don't think those explain the varying quota, since the houses with the smallest quotas are not necessarily the largest chapters before recruitment.
Houses were also allotted more "free" juniors/seniors this year.
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Kindly review the bolded. Essentially, you're repeating gossip. For what purpose? Please tell me, how is that Panhellenic in spirit?
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09-04-2012, 07:14 PM
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I was trying to add more information to the discussion.
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09-04-2012, 07:53 PM
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An additional observation on recruitment at SC...it appears that each sorority has the largest pledge class in its history. This would seem to indicate that the pmn's are looking beyond the ones that have traditionally been very strong, and thus making the success of other sororities colonizing there more likely. In my opinion, this is probably happening because the student body has become more diverse as the university has made a concerted effort to draw from across the country. This had to have been a tough year with the record amount of pmn's but it appears to have been quite successful in placing a high number of women!
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09-04-2012, 09:22 PM
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The Panhellenic Advisor at USC is a former NPC Chairman so I don't think there would be any scenario where she would go against the MOI.
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09-04-2012, 09:26 PM
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I was trying to add more information to the discussion.
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Best to make sure it's accurate first.
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09-04-2012, 09:34 PM
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Delta Gamma is a verrrry desirable sorority at USC. I would be shocked if they elected to be under quota and I would be more shocked if panhellenic allowed it.
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Just to clarify, Panhellenic can't do squat - that would be infringing on DG's (or anyone else's) membership selection policies. If a chapter wants to invite no one back and pledge no one, that is their sovereign decision. However, they will have some serious 'splainin to do (read: heads would be rolling and charters would be in jeopardy) to their headquarters.
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