Chick-fil-a Support Day and Free Speech - Page 3

DrPhil · #31 08-01-2012, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee

I don't either. Blacks and Hispanics are allowed to get married in every state. Unless they are also gay.

White homosexual men and white lesbians have always been able to use white privilege which includes socioeconomic status, education, hiring, wages, and salary. In certain environments, one's sexual orientation and sexuality can be "hidden" whereas race, ethnicity, and gender are darn near impossible to hide.

Do you see how dumb it is to attempt to rank oppressions? Inequalities do not have to be the exact same in order for them to coexist and for all of them to be legitimate.

sigmadiva · #32 08-01-2012, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg

What.

Yup.

I assume you are a White female. Being White and female in this country affords you a certain 'carte blanc' that I don't have, and will never have since I am a Black female. The strong and deeply rooted divisions in this country are divided along color lines, and a close second gender lines, not sexual orientation.

Just from a daily experience, if I go into a store, any store, I am watched and followed, and at the same time ignored when I do ask for assistance.

Dollar for dollar, Black females are almost the lowest paid on the job, and the most often passed over for promotions.

We tend to be the least respected too. For example, if a White girl is known to have many sexual partners, then she is seen as a 'free-spirit', open and caring. If a Black girl has the same lifestyle, then she is seen as a 'hoochie-mama', just out to have babies so she can get on Welfare.

So, for me, when it comes to being a minority, I see it along color lines, and not sexual orientation. Because, even if you are White and gay in this country, there are avenues and opportunities open to you just for being White that I don't have because I'm Black. Or, what Andre Turner said in that other thread.

agzg · #33 08-01-2012, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Yup.

I assume you are a White female. Being White and female in this country affords you a certain 'carte blanc' that I don't have, and will never have since I am a Black female. The strong and deeply rooted divisions in this country are divided along color lines, and a close second gender lines, not sexual orientation.

Just from a daily experience, if I go into a store, any store, I am watched and followed, and at the same time ignored when I do ask for assistance.

Dollar for dollar, Black females are almost the lowest paid on the job, and the most often passed over for promotions.

We tend to be the least respected too. For example, if a White girl is known to have many sexual partners, then she is seen as a 'free-spirit', open and caring. If a Black girl has the same lifestyle, then she is seen as a 'hoochie-mama', just out to have babies so she can get on Welfare.

So, for me, when it comes to being a minority, I see it along color lines, and not sexual orientation. Because, even if you are White and gay in this country, there are avenues and opportunities open to you just for being White that I don't have because I'm Black. Or, what Andre Turner said in that other thread.

This is lunacy and Oppression Olympics. Sorry friend, only one set of Olympics I'm interested in being party to.

ASTalumna06 · #34 08-01-2012, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva

We tend to be the least respected too. For example, if a White girl is known to have many sexual partners, then she is seen as a 'free-spirit', open and caring. If a Black girl has the same lifestyle, then she is seen as a 'hoochie-mama', just out to have babies so she can get on Welfare.

No, a white girl who sleeps around is called a slut.. She's just out to have babies to get on 'Teen Mom.'

On the other hand, ANY guy that sleeps around is called a hero.

sigmadiva · #35 08-01-2012, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg

This is lunacy and Oppression Olympics. Sorry friend, only one set of Olympics I'm interested in being party to.

Sure, but it still does not change the dynamics I mentioned.

DrPhil · #36 08-01-2012, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Yup.

Look at you again.

What you typed does not matter for the current discussion.

agzg · #37 08-01-2012, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Sure, but it still does not change the dynamics I mentioned.

But see, the dynamics you mentioned are also irrelevant to the conversation. Unless the COO of Chick-fil-A is also against Black and Hispanic marriage.

sigmadiva · #38 08-02-2012, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by agzg

But see, the dynamics you mentioned are also irrelevant to the conversation. Unless the COO of Chick-fil-A is also against Black and Hispanic marriage.

Maybe for the thread, but not for you since you questioned it. I was responding to your 'What' that you directed at what I said.

sigmadiva · #39 08-02-2012, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Look at you again.

What you typed does not matter for the current discussion.

What I typed was directed at agzg since she questioned it. No, it does not matter for the current discussion.

DrPhil · #40 08-02-2012, 12:03 AM

Sigmadiva is just being random. I typed "power minorities" and sigmadiva felt the need to do a social-ethnic-cultural diatribe (ironic, I know). She must have thought that "power minorities" only references racial and ethnic minorities.

DrPhil · #41 08-02-2012, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva

What I typed was directed at agzg since she questioned it. No, it does not matter for the current discussion.

She probably knew what you meant (it is a pretty common yet simplistic argument) and just disagreed.

agzg · #42 08-02-2012, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Maybe for the thread, but not for you since you questioned it. I was responding to your 'What' that you directed at what I said.

It's fairly clear you're going for the gold in mental gymnastics. But please, tell me more about me. Because this Chick-fil-A issue is clearly about you, and me, and my privilege versus your privilege. In fact, I believe the COO actually said that "agzg rules because WHITE LADY! sigmadiva drools because BLACK LADY!"

sigmadiva · #43 08-02-2012, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Sigmadiva is just being random. I typed "power minority" and "power majority" and sigmadiva felt the need to do a diatribe (ironic, I know). She must have thought that "minority" only references racial and ethnic minorities.

And as I stated, for me it does.

It just deeply offends me when White gays act like they are the same "type" of minority that they can equate with being Black or Hispanic.

What I see is White gays do a very good job of trying to convince people that just because gays can't get married, then they are a minority that is akin to Blacks with respect to slavery and the after-effects of slavery in this country. I never buy it.

As I stated before, being Black and being gay are not the same thing with respect to being a minority.

sigmadiva · #44 08-02-2012, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by agzg

It's fairly clear you're going for the gold in mental gymnastics. But please, tell me more about me. Because this Chick-fil-A issue is clearly about you, and me, and my privilege versus your privilege. In fact, I believe the COO actually said that "agzg rules because WHITE LADY! sigmadiva drools because BLACK LADY!"

Ummm, yeah......

DrPhil · #45 08-02-2012, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva

And as I stated, for me it does.

And that is your problem.

Short list of power minorities:

1. Women--sexism, misogyny, patriarchy
2. Racial and ethnic minorities--racism and discrimination
3. LGBT--heterosexism and genderism
4. People with physical conditions--disability discrimination
5. Age groups (50+ in many contexts)--ageism

Back to the real discussion.