Former Penn State Coach Arrested

HQWest · #1 11-10-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Sandusky had keys to the facility, as he had an office and access per his retirement/emeritus status. Schultz had an obligation to block his access when he found out about the abuse. He didn't, and that's why he has been charged.

JoePa is an icon around those parts, but that wasn't his job. That's why he was not charged.

Just a point of clarification - Faculty emeritus status is an honorary title and a privilege. It is given in recognition for years of service, and while it may come with continued access or office space, it is not a requirement. Often emeritus faculty have ongoing research after they have officially retired, or they might come back to teach a specialty class in their area. They could have at any time said "Oops, we need the office space for someone else." and taken the keys back.

knight_shadow · #2 11-10-2011, 12:01 PM

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Just a point of clarification - Faculty emeritus status is an honorary title and a privilege. It is given in recognition for years of service, and while it may come with continued access or office space, it is not a requirement. Often emeritus faculty have ongoing research after they have officially retired, or they might come back to teach a specialty class in their area. They could have at any time said "Oops, we need the office space for someone else." and taken the keys back.

I understand that.

"They" was Schultz and his office, though, not Paterno.

HQWest · #3 11-10-2011, 12:26 PM

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I understand that.

"They" was Schultz and his office, though, not Paterno.

So one the one hand, the graduate assistant that we now know to be Mike McQueary - didn't do or say enough because he was afraid that it might be damaging to his career or that they would blackball him, but JoePa doesn't have control over the office space in the athletics facilities? He couldn't have said "Hey I don't want this guy hanging around?" Or "Hey, we need the space to bring some one in to help tutor the guys on their physics homework"?

knight_shadow · #4 11-10-2011, 12:32 PM

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So one the one hand, the graduate assistant that we now know to be Mike McQueary - didn't do or say enough because he was afraid that it might be damaging to his career or that they would blackball him, but JoePa doesn't have control over the office space in the athletics facilities? He couldn't have said "Hey I don't want this guy hanging around?" Or "Hey, we need the space to bring some one in to help tutor the guys on their physics homework"?

1. The GA dropped the ball, no doubt

2. Who says JoePa DIDN'T say that? And at the end of the day, it was up to Schultz and his office to ensure that Sandusky's access was removed. Paterno is just a coach. Influential, no doubt, but he is not the right hand of God, like many are trying to make him out to be.

amIblue? · #5 11-10-2011, 02:49 PM

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1. The GA dropped the ball, no doubt

2. Who says JoePa DIDN'T say that? And at the end of the day, it was up to Schultz and his office to ensure that Sandusky's access was removed. Paterno is just a coach. Influential, no doubt, but he is not the right hand of God, like many are trying to make him out to be.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with the bold part. Head coaches at major programs have the ability to hire and fire their staff members. Sandusky reported to Paterno. Paterno could have removed his access. You're kidding yourself to think otherwise.

knight_shadow · #6 11-10-2011, 02:53 PM

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I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with the bold part. Head coaches at major programs have the ability to hire and fire their staff members. Sandusky reported to Paterno. Paterno could have removed his access. You're kidding yourself to think otherwise.

Sandusky retired in 1999, so he did not report to Paterno.

amIblue? · #7 11-10-2011, 02:56 PM

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Sandusky retired in 1999, so he did not report to Paterno.

Why is it that you think he retired in 1999? Just for fun?

LXA SE285 · #8 11-10-2011, 12:27 PM

New rumor being reported by Mark Madden:

Report: Jerry Sandusky Pimped Out Kids to Rich Donors

knight_shadow · #9 11-10-2011, 12:33 PM

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New rumor being reported by Mark Madden:

Report: Jerry Sandusky Pimped Out Kids to Rich Donors

I think Sandusky is a piece of shit, but this is terrible "journalism" on Madden's part.

ThetaPrincess24 · #10 11-10-2011, 12:35 PM

Interesting. I believe someone in this thread posted about the potential cover up of a pedophilia ring?

I hope this is a rumor and does not turn out to have any merit.

thetalady · #11 11-10-2011, 12:55 PM

I have been reading all of this with complete shock at how adults could let this happen.

The one question that I haven't seen discussed is why the parents of these children didn't go to the police themselves and demand investigations and arrests and head straight to the media if it didn't happen? There is no way that they didn't know. I know that Sandusky preyed on vulnerable kids that often didn't have strong family support, but still.... WHERE are the parents in all of this?

ASTalumna06 · #12 11-10-2011, 01:04 PM

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I have been reading all of this with complete shock at how adults could let this happen.

The one question that I haven't seen discussed is why the parents of these children didn't go to the police themselves and demand investigations and arrests and head straight to the media if it didn't happen? There is no way that they didn't know. I know that Sandusky preyed on vulnerable kids that often didn't have strong family support, but still.... WHERE are the parents in all of this?

I've read a few articles (I'll have to track them down) that have claimed one of the parents DID know about this, Sandusky simply apologized and said it wouldn't happen again, and it was never reported.

knight_shadow · #13 11-10-2011, 01:10 PM

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I've read a few articles (I'll have to track them down) that have claimed one of the parents DID know about this, Sandusky simply apologized and said it wouldn't happen again, and it was never reported.

That was the 1998 incident. He acknowledged that it happened, but the DA declined to press charges.

As many people have said, though, the charity catered to children from "broken homes," for lack of a better term, so many of the events went unnoticed.

33girl · #14 11-10-2011, 01:39 PM

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The one question that I haven't seen discussed is why the parents of these children didn't go to the police themselves and demand investigations and arrests and head straight to the media if it didn't happen? There is no way that they didn't know. I know that Sandusky preyed on vulnerable kids that often didn't have strong family support, but still.... WHERE are the parents in all of this?

This is bugging the hell out of me too. The townies and the kids' parents need to fess up to their responsibility in this...but as usual, they entirely blame the school when anything bad happens and never thank it for the improvement of their quality of life. ("As usual" means "this shit happens in every isolated college town.")

ETA: "This shit" means blaming the school for anything bad...not pedophilia and the cover up of it.

33girl · #15 11-10-2011, 01:45 PM

On another really random note, and I know there are people who know more about this than me, there are people saying that this all coming out now has to do with the Marcellus Shale controversy. Stranger things have happened, I guess.

http://www.statecollege.com/news/col...ervice-684675/